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(5,402 posts)The imperious snark is going to have unfortunate consequences. A rereading of Susan Faludi's "Backlash" might be in order.
niyad
(113,055 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)To what do you think I was referring?
niyad
(113,055 posts)some such drivel? If I knew, I would not have asked.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)She is not saying "get used to it". You are. I sense an attitude of someone who feels they must rub someone else's nose in the same crap they had to endure.
If you think the inverse of snark is "humble and unassuming", then you really should read Backlash. Just like we've seen the racism come bubbling over with the election of Obama, so will we see misogyny and a a celebration of patriarchy surge with Clinton in the White House.
After Backlash, you might also check out The Chalice and The Blade: Our History, Our Future by Riane Eisler. The solution to moving past our dominion model of men isn't the imposition of a dominion model of women, but the fostering of a partnership model.
niyad
(113,055 posts)and, for your information, I am well acquainted with both books you mentioned, and do not need instruction as to their meaning.
but keep trying, some of us need the laughs.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The OP is what it is.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)niyad
(113,055 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)Because someone said, "Get used to it."
This campaign is really making some people irrational. It's really freaking out a certain type of people.
niyad
(113,055 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Calling someone a concern troll is just a tactic to justify a weak premise.
niyad
(113,055 posts)but, as I said, keep trying. some people might actually believe you.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It isn't.
niyad
(113,055 posts)Squinch
(50,911 posts)niyad
(113,055 posts)needs to instruct us on what feminism is, and isn't.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)out there willing to give us reading lists.
niyad
(113,055 posts)but an explanation of what we are instructed to read, since we clearly cannot figure it out on our own.
LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)referring to the RW/cultural reaction to Obama. Which was even worse than the RW/cultural reaction to Bill Clinton.
niyad
(113,055 posts)not all from the reichwingnutjobs, either.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Thanks, niyad.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Me too!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Once again, if the intention is to win over those who aren't already enthusiastic supporters, this is not the way to do it. In fact, it's the imperious entitlement embedded in it that makes it clear that she doesn't really need to woo any more voters. This makes it really easy for someone not convinced to vote for her that there's no need to. She's going to be President, no matter what.
Squinch
(50,911 posts)It isn't about your primary candidate or his supporters.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)But it definitely won't win over any of them.
Maybe something a bit more conciliatory, more in line with extolling her virtues, the good things she'll do as President would convince some of them to vote for her.
Otherwise, such a slogan just hardens feelings against her, and if she hopes to be an effective President, there needs to be something that reaches out and welcomes. Otherwise, what will be seen in that slogan is a big "Fuck you!" Not a good way to set the tone for the next four or eight years.
niyad
(113,055 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)then why would you ever complain about the tone anyone else uses? The complaints about Bernie's supporters and how they dissed Hillary, the complaints about how the Donald treats everyone with contempt?
A few phrases come to mind here:
You reap what you sow
What goes around comes around
And then there's the classic about doing unto others.
niyad
(113,055 posts)who spewed endless hate against hillary always denied that they were doing anything of the kind.
note--hillary won.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)that shows the genuine joy you feel at her winning? Rather than something that is a giant FU?
Something more on the order of
Madame President
How I like the sound of that
Plus, at the risk of again annoying you, most of the time what was interpreted as hate was simple fact.