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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 06:47 PM Jun 2013

There’s good news and bad news about eggs - eating daily really bad for diabetics

The good news: Eating an egg a day – yolk included – did not increase the risk of cardiovascular disease in healthy people. The bad news: Egg eaters were more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. And among people who already had diabetes, an egg-a-day habit substantially upped the likelihood of a heart attack or stroke.

The new report, published online in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, combined the results of 16 studies, lasting seven to 20 years, which included participants ranging in number from 1,600 to 90,735.

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While eggs may have little effect on your fasting blood-cholesterol level, that may not be the case for your “after-meal”, or postprandial, blood cholesterol. (Fasting blood cholesterol is measured after consuming no food or drinks, with the exception of water, for nine to 12 hours.)

There is mounting evidence that, depending on what you eat, postprandial blood fats can damage blood vessels and promote atherosclerosis (hardening and narrowing of the arteries). Small studies have shown that eating a cholesterol-rich meal can enhance the blood-cholesterol-raising effects of saturated (animal) fat and increase the chance that your LDL (bad) blood cholesterol becomes oxidized. Once oxidized, LDL cholesterol can cause inflammation in blood vessels. These harmful “after-meal” changes can persist for at least four hours after eating.


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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/theres-good-news-and-bad-news-about-eggs/article12502116/






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There’s good news and bad news about eggs - eating daily really bad for diabetics (Original Post) snagglepuss Jun 2013 OP
Someone gave me two dozen fresh eggs from her own chickens... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #1
So what you want an award. I eat eggs as well. I didn't post this for snark but to snagglepuss Jun 2013 #2
I wasn't being snarky... Your reply on the otherhand... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #3
My apologies if I misunderstood your post. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #4
No prob... just thinking aloud re: the irony of having so many fresh eggs when hlthe2b Jun 2013 #5
i really wonder if the result is the same. mopinko Jun 2013 #11
Well, goddammit, what the hell am I supposed to eat as a diabetic? Can't eat carbs, sugar, Nay Jun 2013 #6
Diabetes is a bummer. Here's some diets highly recommended for diabetics. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #7
I hear ya. grasswire Jul 2013 #12
I would like that. I always check "chronic conditions" for diabetes info, but diabetics are Nay Jul 2013 #16
some foods that have really helped me.... grasswire Jul 2013 #14
Thanks, grasswire. I actually do eat the things you mention, except for Dreamfields pasta (it Nay Jul 2013 #15
your a1c is fantastic! grasswire Jul 2013 #17
Pies and cookies, yes, and stuff like noodle casseroles. But I also do not want to go Nay Jul 2013 #18
the weird thing is that I don't know how I got this type 2 grasswire Jul 2013 #19
I was about 30 lbs overweight, but very active. I did like my sweets early in life, but never Nay Jul 2013 #20
wow, I have never had a glucose that high. And yours was fasting, too! grasswire Jul 2013 #21
Actually, that 440 as fasting is incorrect. The 440 was in the middle of the day, after eating. Nay Jul 2013 #22
Is it about the yoke or whites?? nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #8
According to the article, snagglepuss Jun 2013 #9
I am going to limit to 3 to 4 yolks a week now flamingdem Jun 2013 #10
I recall reading many years ago that SheilaT Jul 2013 #13

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
2. So what you want an award. I eat eggs as well. I didn't post this for snark but to
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jun 2013

alert people that this might be something that might be helpful to them or someone they know.

hlthe2b

(101,714 posts)
5. No prob... just thinking aloud re: the irony of having so many fresh eggs when
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:40 PM
Jun 2013

I rarely eat them and then reading that study...

mopinko

(69,806 posts)
11. i really wonder if the result is the same.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:13 AM
Jun 2013

there is evidence that free range eggs are healthier. mine are sure deeper colored, and have stronger, stretchier proteins. (way better baking results.)

in the meantime, they taste better. and are prettier.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
6. Well, goddammit, what the hell am I supposed to eat as a diabetic? Can't eat carbs, sugar,
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jun 2013

eggs, have to limit fats......there's nothing left except plain chicken breast and salad veggies. I already don't ever feel like eating anything because what I have to eat for my health is soooooo boring. I hate cooking, and I hate meals. I've gotten to the point that I wish I could mix up a protein shake for most meals, just to avoid cooking and keep eating to a minimum, since it's such a bore.

I'm starting to think that a big fat fatal stroke may be the easy way out.


snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
7. Diabetes is a bummer. Here's some diets highly recommended for diabetics.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jun 2013

I know a friend of mine follows the DASH diet that is mentioned in the list.

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-diabetes-diets

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
12. I hear ya.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:36 AM
Jul 2013

Maybe we need a group on DU for diabetic support. It's a trial every day to avoid the pitfalls.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
16. I would like that. I always check "chronic conditions" for diabetes info, but diabetics are
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jul 2013

so numerous that we should have our own group.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
14. some foods that have really helped me....
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jul 2013

...get by are:

V-8 juice
cheeses
no-fat cottage cheese
lightly salted or raw nuts -- although they have calories.
zero fat european or greek plain yogurt
canned italian-style tomatoes
dreamfields pasta
crystal light lemonade
wasa or rye krisp type crackers
popcorn


I get the no fat cottage cheese and yogurt at Trader Joe's. And nuts are really good there and more econonical.

Take heart. You can put together a meal without a lot of cooking by thinking of European style lunch. Fresh cucumber and cherry tomatoes, or some power greens. A cold plate of sliced meat, cheese, veggies, and a yogurt smoothie is a great way to go in the summer!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
15. Thanks, grasswire. I actually do eat the things you mention, except for Dreamfields pasta (it
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jul 2013

seems to affect my BG just like regular pasta). I just have to bitch once in a while about the limited menu and the boring selections. I have always eaten vegetables and thought they were fine, but I'm utterly bored with them as I eat them. I shouldn't complain. My last A1C was 5.5, and my doc was totally amazed. He said he doesn't have any patients who are as stringent with diet as I am, and he gave me a ton of compliments. But it's still a boring way to eat for someone who always liked baking! Veggies will NEVER taste like fresh bread or pumpkin pie!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
17. your a1c is fantastic!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:19 PM
Jul 2013

I'm a baker too. I love to bake, especially pies. It's very frustrating, although I do bake for family now and then, and I will have a wee slice of pie now and then.

I guess the alternative to eating what we want is not too attractive. Amputations, kidney trouble, etc. Eh?

Nay

(12,051 posts)
18. Pies and cookies, yes, and stuff like noodle casseroles. But I also do not want to go
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:31 AM
Jul 2013

the amputation/kidney failure route. A friend at work ignored her diabetes for 10 years; ate what she wanted, etc., and now she is on dialysis at age 55. She regrets it, of course, and I have taken the lesson to heart. The husband of another friend died recently of diabetes complications. He had lost a lot of weight, but I guess his BG wasn't under very good control because he died of infection from a small wound on his foot. Yikes.

I do make about 4 pies during the year for family, too, and I'll have a tiny sliver. But it's more of an evil tease than a satisfying bite, if you know what I mean!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
19. the weird thing is that I don't know how I got this type 2
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jul 2013

I was not obese -- just a 20 pound over my early adult weight. I ate a mostly healthy diet -- whole grains, lots of fruits/veg, etc. I was fit for my age, and very active. Then whammo, about five years ago there it was. Undeniable diabetes. I attribute it to the fact that I had been drinking gatorade for about 18 months for the electrolytes. One bottle a day. HFCS. Damn. I don't know what else could be the cause, except perhaps genetics from my grandfather.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
20. I was about 30 lbs overweight, but very active. I did like my sweets early in life, but never
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jul 2013

was a soda drinker. Also ate only ww bread, brown rice, not-fried foods, very little fast food, etc. I estimate that I ate healthier than 90% of the population out there. However, my mom got pre-diabetes at about age 70. That's the only genetic thing. At age 59, wham, I got it over a period of less than a year.(One year fasting BG was 96, next year it was 440. A1C of 11.8!!) Bam. Frankly, it's been worse than my stage I breast cancer because it's a daily drag.

So, I have a lot of sympathy for you.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
21. wow, I have never had a glucose that high. And yours was fasting, too!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jul 2013

My highest was slightly over 300, late at night after gatorade and a bowl of grape nuts. I was having scary palpitations and went to the ER. That was when I was diagnosed.

I was never a soda drinker either. Little fast food. Healthy eater. It is kind of embarrassing that people assume that a diabetic sits around gorging on cupcakes and chips.

Sigh.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
22. Actually, that 440 as fasting is incorrect. The 440 was in the middle of the day, after eating.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013

The doc found it when looking for low potassium/magnesium. The next day I did a fasting BG and it was 190. Sorry for the misinfo.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
9. According to the article,
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jun 2013

snip

So what are we to make of all this? Are eggs off the menu? In my opinion, people at high risk for cardiovascular disease – e.g. people with diabetes, high cholesterol, and/or hypertension and smokers – should definitely limit their intake of egg yolks, and some experts advise avoidance.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
10. I am going to limit to 3 to 4 yolks a week now
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jun 2013

even without heart problems. There are so many reports, many conflicting, but it does seem wise not to overdo. Whites don't seem harmful and it's cheap protein.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. I recall reading many years ago that
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:48 AM
Jul 2013

the biggest issue with egg yolks was the cholesterol, but almost all problems with high cholesterol (which I have, by the way) is that the individual's system produces it, and that dietary sources were minimal at best.

Personally, I tend to think that all the studies that demonize one food or sanctify another, need to be taken with a large grain of salt. Salt itself not being so terrible. Eat in moderation. Eat a variety of foods. Try to consume more vegetables than you've been consuming. Exercise more. It will all be okay.

And to be honest, I do not consume as many veggies as I should, and I do not exercise enough, so I'm not stating those things from a lofty position of any kind.

In the end, we all die. I know, that's a bit of a shock, isn't it? But we do. As someone (Barney Frank, I think) once said, "I can die fat or I can die hungry. I don't want to die hungry." Amen, brother.

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