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Related: About this forumCoffee is life...this morning I had the best cup of coffee in the world.
To so many people in this world, fair trade and specialty coffee has been a god send to small coffee farmers around the world.
A good friend of mine runs a local specialty coffee company and he has been an inspiration to me as I have watched him help to transform the lives of coffee farmers he deals with. His company directly buys from and then gives back proceeds to help build clinics, schools, shelters and more, all while ensuring the farmers get the profits they deserve.
Now, I find myself retired, yet still working full time helping people with tech issues and manufacturing process problems, while enjoying my everyday cup or two or three of coffee.
For many years I have been doing manual pour over techniques like the French Press, Hario v60, Kalita Wave, Chemex, etc...I gave up traditional electric pot methods decades ago. During the last decade I went deeper into the rabbit hole of seeking the perfect cup, or the perfect shot of Espresso. I thought I had done it all and gotten every last drip of flavor I could.
Then I really started talking with my friend about the why of coffee. Seeking the perfect cup and how it ultimately leads to roasting your own beans. Much like growing your own vegetables has long been accepted as the ONLY way you get really tasty produce, roasting your own coffee beans is the last holy ground when seeking to brew the perfect cup.
Beans 24 hours off roast are a wonder to brew with and drink.
There is an old story about a barista who once went into a tiny café and had what he later deemed the worlds best cup of coffee. He spent days watching and learning their technique for brewing their cup. After many failed attempts at reproducing that flavor using their techniques, water, and the beans he bought from them, he gave up and asked what he was doing wrong.
The owner said he was not doing anything wrong. The only problem was that the beans they sold him were the beans that were leftover after a days business, meaning that they were technically 2 day old beans before he even got a chance to brew with them.
The next few weeks were spent in learning, preparation, and trial and error.
One day the barista roasted his first sample batch of beans. 24 hours later, during his morning ritual, he finally had the best cup of coffee in the world.
This morning I made coffee with my first sample roast I did yesterday. My wife, who normally takes her coffee with cream and sugar drank half a cup before adding cream, she said it was the first time she had ever enjoyed black coffee.
A little peek at what it is like when you take a leap down the rabbit hole. Today I roasted my 2nd sample roast.
Peace
elleng
(130,732 posts)Sadly, my taste buds (or something) have changed so many things don't taste good, including maybe #1 coffee; haven't enjoyed a cup in about 2 years, so I wander around, mornings, trying to find something decent to drink. (MAY have found something, newly developed @ my starbucks, ginger snap frapp, no coffee, no whip; the base is whole milk, good for osteoporosis.)
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)My wife has to pile in sugar and cream in her coffee as she says the black coffee is just not her thing.
This morning she shocked me...shocked me. She took a sip and said, "wait, what did you do?" "this tastes smooth and has a hint of chocolate...what the heck is going on?"
Half a cup before she broke down and the addiction to sugar got won out...lol.
markie
(22,756 posts)I have a hot air pop corn popper that I use to roast small batches when I feel like fresh roast... and you are correct; fresh roast is really good!
yonder
(9,657 posts)They work fine till they wear out.
markie
(22,756 posts)but at thrift stores, popcorn poppers are really cheap
it's the oils that really burn them out... and I do it outside and let the hulls float out into the wind... and the smell
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)I am a retired manufacturing process engineer...so, I hopped down the hole and never looked back.
mitch96
(13,870 posts)markie
(22,756 posts)was working for a small roaster and she would get beans for me and I have ordered mostly online... my favorite place doesn't sell greens beans anymore but there are a few places out there if you do a search...
https://deansbeans.com/collections/green-unroasted-coffee-beans
I like this company...
https://anthonysgoods.com/products/organic-unroasted-whole-green-coffee-beans-2lb-mexican-altura-arabica-beans-raw-batch-tested-gluten-free
I also sometimes get them from a local roaster...
have to be careful with air popper... only very small batch at a time and once the oils start coming it's easy to burn it out... lots of fun though!!
mitch96
(13,870 posts)cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)They have great beans, good people and well, just the best darn green beans I have found.
https://www.sweetmarias.com
mitch96
(13,870 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)his beans, are awesome.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)You know you are getting top quality and Tom is such a super chill guy. He responds to questions on the blog and website and really cares.
My cooler box was directly attributed to one of Tom's video instructions.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)the 90s I think when he was still in Ohio. Used to participate on his mailing list.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)His current setup does not even use thermocouples and he is very old school using a vintage commercial roaster where all steps are handled manually and by eye and smell.
Peace and thank you!
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cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)The Breaking Bad Reference is awesome. Might need to rethink....Blue Sky Saldana Columbiana...
The cooling box is incredible. The fan is a 211 cfm muffin fan. Repurposed. I thought it would work, but 45 seconds from 500f to ambient room was more than expected. It literally stopped the cooking process immediately, which is the whole point, more precise control, less runaway or uncontrolled cooking.
First Crack...Breaking Bad...Blue Sky Saldana Columbiana, kind of has a ring to it.
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Retired Engineer Bob
(759 posts)Have a Behmore roaster. It worked pretty well. You tempt me to get it out of the basement.
Thanks for the thread.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)Once he has dialed in the process, it hits the big commercial roaster.
Thank you for the kind comment!
Peace and Coffee...
Retired Engineer Bob
(759 posts)Having a great cup in the cabin we would rent in Canada before heading out on the boat. Id roast a couple of pounds the night before I would leave on our 1200 mile fishing trip. Always used a French press.
My husband and I are going to Jamaica next February. The room includes a French press, and they supply all you can drink Blue Mountain. I must score a couple pounds to bring back. Hey, that didnt sound right LOL.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)PurgedVoter
(2,214 posts)Allergies have forced me to be the worst coffee snob I know.
I am very allergic to Robusta. The smell of it will give me a headache. Drinking is right out.
Roasting my own is the only option. Every batch is a bit different and every batch is wonderful. Unless they mixed in a few Robusta beans, then it is a nightmare.
I generally go for peaberry. Not because peaberry is better, it can be, but it isn't always. The odds of someone trying to sneak Robusta in to Arabica peaberry is much lower so I stick to peaberry unless I have gotten to cup a batch to test.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)Best cup of coffee yet.
70sEraVet
(3,474 posts)I'm also retired, so tomorrow morning I'll brew a quick cup of Maxwell house in my little one-cup coffee maker, and go fishing for a couple of hours.
Just kidding. Quite a process, and I'm sure you have a cup of coffee worthy of an Incan emperor!
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)I am an ex process engineer so I guess that is why this intrigued me. I love coffee and have always been into producing a good cup, whether it was just for myself or friends and family.
I went through the entire 120g first roast today. 1 30g pour over this morning and 2 20g pour overs today (1 while roasting the 2nd 300g Sample) I did a 20g pour over for my wife this morning, so all in all 120g green yielded approx 90-100g roasted. I may have lost a few beans during the drop and then the transfer to the cooler box. So I'd say 20-25g of weight loss.
Thanks for the laugh!
orleans
(34,040 posts)but i settle on the best cup of coffee of my life
and, occasionally i do have that.
i've come to understand that the best cup also pairs with what is going on at the moment--am i in a hurry? do i have time to linger and enjoy it? weather? (i'm flexible on that one.) what is going on in my life, my head, etc. (mood/mood/attitude)
while i admire your devotion
i must admit it seems like way too much work for me
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)I certainly agree that the moment is a part of the experience as well.
Life is too short to not have as many 'moments' as they present themselves...
Peace.
NewHendoLib
(60,006 posts)I've roasted all of our coffee since 2007 - green beans from Sweet Maria's - my favorites are from Kenya, Ethiopia, Burundi, and Guatamala. I roast three types at a time, about 10 oz of each and it lasts us for a week or so.
We are so spoiled - and travel with our beans and grinder and French Press when we are off on trips!
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)Sweet Marias has great clean beans. Just love their work ethic and the fact that they are coffee lovers first, business owners second.
It shows.
My French Press game is off the hook...Love meeting another French Press lover!
What is your preferred roasting method? I studied them all, Fluid Bed, Popper, Drum, Turbo Oven Infrared, even stovetop, settled on the drum as I had lots of parts lying around...only thing I had to source was the drum and that was $55 of the bay of e...and it appealed to my inner process dude.
Peace.
NewHendoLib
(60,006 posts)Whirly pop hand crank stainless popper on a Coleman Stove - my wife bought it for me in 2007 as a birthday gift and I am using the same one - 14 years later!
I like it because it is real - I can control the heat, the crank speed, hear the cracks, use it outside to avoid the indoor smoke issues - it takes me 8-12 min to roast 10 ounces. I like to go City + to Full City, right to the end of first crack - so I don't Charbucks the beans!
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)They were green and fresh. Less than 12 hours old.
We roasted them in our oven. A few beans fell off the pan
we were using.
It fell under the red hot element and those few beans smoked up a storm. Our apartment smelled like a starbucks..since they so often roast thier beans to charcoal.
We had to open the patio door put on a fan and let the smoke out,but dammit those beans that were roasted right were fucking delicious.
We used the french press.
Cold brew at least for us didn't exist back then.
Getting fresh green beans and roasting them yourself is a lot of work..but its fucking heavenly to drink.
I will never forget those three cups.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)Smoke from the ghost of StarBurnt, process gone astray, the extra work needed.
But you never forget that cup.
coffee
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)columbian. my grinder in 1890, my coffee pot is probably 1930's drip-o-lator. i just have to make butterscotch.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)Best coffee is brewed by people who care. I am by no means rich...lol. You sound like you care enough to buy beans, hand grind and use a fine drip-o-lator. Therefore, I bet that cup you make is awesome!
8 O'clock coffee rotates so fast that the whole bean bags are generally very tasty as they are quite fresh off roast. I am by no means a coffee snob, I am more a coffee GEEK. As for anyone wondering about whole bean, Eight O'clock coffee might be cheap, but the quality of the whole bean is very good.
Another GREAT VALUE in cheap whole bean coffee is the Walmart Great Value brand Organic Whole bean coffee, when you can find it of course. Because Coffee snobs around the country will buy the GV brand organic whole bean coffee and stick it in their own containers and then serve it to friends and family. True story! Not saying I did it, but a good friend of mine told me to try it as he was secretly buying it and taking it to his friends...
Hand grinders from that era were great at grinding for drip or French press.
Do you have the porcelain one, combo porcelain/alum or full aluminum?
For anyone wondering;
Keep on being caffeinated!
Peace
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)top peculator. used both, but decided the dripolator best. needed to replace the bottom, spout issues. ebay great. accidental got a 2 cup + 6?c cup. gifting the 6c to cousin. found a good 3 c cheap. no ceramic. it will be killed.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)I use a souped up hot air popper -- I separated the fan control and have a speed control on that, and a router control (very high watt dimmer if you will) on the coils so I have complete control.
We've had some very fine cups of coffee, lattes and capucinos. My only complaint is I can't roast much at a time, only about 1/3 cup of green beans.
I agree that the best is just one day after roasting.
I had an incredible cup in Bozeman MT a few years ago -- it was actually sweet and fruity. That was the best cup I have ever had. It was Rwandan in origin.
cayugafalls
(5,639 posts)I looked at lots of options and read a TON, watched videos on the different methods and took some classes, starting with MCR's free one.
https://millcityroasters.com/coffee-roasting-training-classes/
Then I watched a bunch of coffee classes by Virtual Coffee Labs on YouTube.
Since I am a retired manufacturing process engineer and love to cook, this really intrigued me and got me to take my coffee hobby to the next level by roasting my own beans.
Once I decided to roast, I settled on the drum method as it looked like something I could scale over time without losing my initial investment in equipment and it would give me control, like your mods to the popper that have given you control.
The fact that you can control heat and airflow is really critical, well done. A few thermocouples, BT, ET, Ambient and a phidget interface and your Fluid Bed Roaster would be next level.
Congratz on being a veteran, any tips you feel like sharing, I am all cups...
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Heat is the enemy of fruity notes. So if you are looking for a fruitier cup apply more heat and get to first crack faster. I found that to be true. Trick of course, is not heating so fast you get a flash roast.
Burman coffee is where I get my beans. We drink mostly decaf and I've been pretty happy with them. I'm not suggesting they are better than other sources, just an alternative.
https://burmancoffee.com/
Once you get a good source for beans there's no reason to search for another, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)First crack is loud, and sounds almost like popcorn popping.
Second crack comes after the beans have heated even more, and I think it is more akin to smaller areas in the beans exploding from the expanding gases.
First and second crack are benchmarks that roasters often use to describe the roast -- how long til first crack, did you take it to second crack, etc.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)I have learned something new today!
Cheers!