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global1

(25,220 posts)
Thu May 5, 2022, 05:59 PM May 2022

Does Anyone Know If There Is A Celery Sauce (Condiment) On The Market....

I live in the Chicago Area. Many hot dog joints shake some celery salt on the hot dog - especially those hot dogs that include tomato and cucumber on them. The taste is amazing.

Watching - the Foods That Built America - the other day - they feature the Heinz Company which got it's start with Ketchup. That made me think - a celery sauce - the consistency of a ketchup would be a cool condiment to squirt on a hot dog.

I was wondering if there is a commercial product like that on the market. I'd like to try it.

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halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
3. This looks like a juice, not a condiment.
Thu May 5, 2022, 06:09 PM
May 2022

I'm pretty sure it would be too soupy to add to a hot dog. The bun would be soaked.

LuvLoogie

(6,910 posts)
8. Why not make it yourself?
Thu May 5, 2022, 06:19 PM
May 2022

You could start with mixing some ingredients already on the market, e.g. mayonnaise, Dijon mustard, an onion, garlic, duck fat, balsamic, shiraz reduction?

Consider that celery salt uses celery seed and not the stalk itself.

Is it something you want to use for a hotdog or for a hamburger or sandwich?

global1

(25,220 posts)
10. I Actually Bought A Tin Of Celery Seed.....
Thu May 5, 2022, 07:44 PM
May 2022

The seed is very bitter and doesn't taste at all like celery. I ground it down in a mortar and pestle. Still bitter.

I have celery salt.

What I'd like to achieve is a celery sauce - the consistency of ketchup or mustard - but with the taste of a flavorful stalk of celery. I've notice that a stalk of celery has a natural salt taste.

I attempted to make a sauce - but either I put too much salt in the recipe or the natural salt taste from the stalk - made it extremely too salty and un-edible. I did use some mayo in my recipe along with some garlic and onion pwds.

I dice a couple of stalks of celery and boiled them to soften them. I boiled to the point of almost reducing all the water from the pot. I then mashed the diced celery and added the ingredients I listed above. I didn't achieve anything like what I was trying to achieve in my mind. Ultimately I'm going to use an immersion blender to give it that thick creamy consistency.

And yes - I see a celery sauce like I described - to be put on a hot dog along with mustard and/or ketchup - to give it that hint of a celery flavor - just like the celery salt that they sprinkle on the tomato and cucumber on a hot dog.

I'm going to work on it though and keep trying.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
12. To achieve what you want is possible, but a bit intensive.
Sat May 7, 2022, 08:39 AM
May 2022

Speaking professionally:

I'd start with a good, rich celery juice. Get as many celery leaves as you can (they have much more flavor) and stalks together. Purée them in a blender, letting it go for a while to get really broken down, then strain it, pressing as much liquid through the sieve as possible. Do not attempt to reduce it, or cook it in any way - that's going to ruin "the taste of a flavorful stalk of celery". If the raw juice isn't flavorful enough for you there's not much else to be done, unless you have a rotary evaporator handy.

Now, here's where things go a bit astray from what you're used to…ss you've already learned, you can't make a cooked sauce with extra additives; even just using a roux or cornstarch would require heat, which we've established as a no-no.

So - we're going to need a bevy of "modern" thickeners. I'd start with a mixture of xanthan and guar gums; while they both work well enough on their own, combined in a 1:1 ratio they're significantly more effective. You can add up to 0.5% of the weight of your celery juice, but that can get a little snotty so I'd start at 0.3% and work up. It won't be catsup thick yet, but it will be viscous and resistant to flowing suddenly - good backbone aspects of a squeeze sauce. To give it more body, bring it closer to your ideal, we'll add some modified starch. It does the same thing as cornstarch or flour, but it's been altered so that it doesn't require heat - you just put your juice in a blender and sprinkle it in until you're at the desired thickness. Since we're looking for thickness above all, I'd use Ultra-Tex 8. I can't give a percentage for that, as your desired outcome is up to you, but as it won't get ropey or gooey if you use too much you can just wing it.

Those two alone should suffice to at least get the juice thick enough to use as a condiment, but it would be very, very smooth - like a cream sauce as opposed to a pureed vegetable product. If you want that extra bit of texture, as a final touch we can blend in some psyllium powder, basically very finely ground Metamucil. Not too much, I don't have a percentage handy but as too much makes it gelatinous I'd start at maybe 0.5% and go from there. It will add that well-cooked-vegetable-matter texture that catsup has.

To finish it, add celery powder (not celery salt or seed) to taste, and any other seasonings you may wish such as black pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, MSG, red pepper flakes...pretty much anything but salt.

ETA - all ingredients are available on Amazon, or Modernist Pantry if you're averse to Mr. Bezos.

global1

(25,220 posts)
13. Wow!!! - Thank You For Your Response....
Sat May 7, 2022, 01:09 PM
May 2022

Are you a 'food scientist' or a 'top chef'?

Looks like I'm going to have to set up a food lab in my kitchen - along with a log book - in order to list all my attempts at trying to achieve a 'celery sauce' condiment.

It looks like it might take me a while to assemble all those ingredients you've suggested.

I'll have to get out my food scale to measure the amounts; make several attempts using different combinations and percentages and do taste tests until I settle on a combination of ingredients that gives me the taste and consistency I'd like to achieve.

It's almost like what took place to come up with the Heinz recipe for ketchup.

Thanks to you - someday I might wind up on an episode of 'The Food That Built America'.

I really appreciate your input here. It might take me a while - but I'll try and keep you informed.

As an aside - while I was shopping the other day - I came across Campbell's Cream of Celery Soup. I never knew it existed and never tasted it - but I bought a couple of cans to try. I was thinking if the taste was anywhere near what I've envisioned for the 'celery sauce' - I'd use the uncooked product as a base for my sauce - add a couple of additional spices - and see what I could come up with.

That's where I was going before I read your suggestions to me. Thanks!!! Really appreciate it!!!

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
14. Glad to help
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:01 AM
May 2022

I suppose I'm a food scientist; I've been in kitchens since my very first job as a dishwasher, before I decided to stay there full-time I suffered through a Chemistry degree which has come in quite useful sometimes...

You're going to need a better scale than you probably have - you *must* have one that reads to 0.01 grams to work with these powders. Readily available for under $20, at least.

Other than that -- definitely log everything, don't heat the juice, and have fun!

AKwannabe

(5,631 posts)
16. Agree with all pball had to say and May I add...
Sun May 8, 2022, 08:03 PM
May 2022

Chia MIGHT be a natural for gel ing the sauce you want to achieve. Agree that cooking isn’t the answer because you want it to taste like raw celery I think. And as a good as celery salt as well.

Recently tried chia with fresh fruit. It does a gelatin but isn’t and IS good for ya.

Do all the fresh “celery juice” stuff that pball includes. Then. Add about 1 tsp of chia to each cup of juice you get. (Less or more as you experiment) Or just one cup. See what happens.
I have not tried this but chia gels and you are looking to thicken a sauce without cooking. Certainly worth trying! Imho

Good luck.

global1

(25,220 posts)
17. I Took A Short Cut On Your Suggestions For A Celery Sauce Condiment.....
Wed May 11, 2022, 06:46 PM
May 2022

Last edited Wed May 11, 2022, 10:58 PM - Edit history (1)

You may not agree with my attempt - but I took a shot at it anyway.

Yesterday while at the supermarket - I spotted Campbell's Cream of Celery Soup on the shelf. I never knew that existed. I bought a can to experiment with.

I'm familiar with Cream of Chicken Soup. I use it all the time when I'm making a Lemon Caper Chicken Piccata Sauce - so I'm familiar with the consistency of the condensed soup.
It turns out the Cream of Celery Soup has the same consistency.

I appreciate your suggestions as to how I should compound the celery sauce. The only problem is that it would have taken me a while to assemble all the suggested ingredients and then I'd probably only use very little of them. My spice cabinet is full already - and I don't have room for more ingredients to fit in it.

So here's what I did. I emptied the can of the cream of celery soup into a bowl. I added 1 teaspoon of onion pwd; 1/2 teaspoon of garlic pwd; 1/4 teaspoon of celery salt; 1/8 of a cup of olive oil mayo and I wisked it all together homogeneously. Then I used some food coloring to tint it to the color of a celery stalk.

I put the mixture in a squeezee plastic bottle - the kind you see at restaurants for ketchup and mustard. I chilled it in the fridge.

I just made a hot dog and along with some onion; relish; tomato and cucumber - I shot some of my homemade celery sauce on the bun.

Bottom line - I'm pretty satisfied with the result. It was quick to put together and it achieved the purpose I set out to do.

Next time I make it - I intend to - per your suggestion - make a celery juice as you suggested in your opening paragraph of your response to me. I believe the addition of the juice to what I put together - will give me even a more celery flavorful taste.

Thank you again!!! I'm also curious as to what you think of my solution to this? It would be great to get an opinion of a food scientist.

sir pball

(4,737 posts)
18. If you're pleased with the results, it's not "wrong"!
Fri May 13, 2022, 09:25 AM
May 2022

Taste is subjective, so if you got what you wanted with a can of soup you did it right!

I will say that canned cream of celery soup doesn't taste anything like raw celery; if that flavor profile works for you you could simply take celery purée and slowly reduce it until it's thick enough for your liking.

Or, if you're not totally set on the idea of a sauce, if a shake-on condiment would be acceptable - you could just buy celery powder.

It's not celery seed, it's dried celery juice, so it should be more or less what you're looking for. You have to be careful how much you use though, the "salty" flavor you're seeking is actually sodium nitrate: the meat-curing chemical. It's present in very high levels in celery, some powders have as much nitrate as "synthetic" curing salt! It's how "no nitrates added*" bacon is made - if you look at the fine print it will also say "* - besides nitrates naturally occurring in celery".

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