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Wed Jul 3, 2019, 08:00 AM

A couple of weeks ago I got the dreadful Beyond sausages...

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Last night I found the meat patties on sale. Two 1/4 lb patties in a package for $5.74 (less $1.76).

My first question, naturally, is why would I spend over 11 bucks a pound for fake 70% ground chuck? OK, I got them on sale for 8 bucks a pound, but we're still pushing prime sirloin prices.

Aside from the price, which should drop as production ramps up, they tasted far better than the atrocious, gag-inducing sausages. Quite tasty, actually, although still a slight bit gritty and nowhere near what $12 beef tastes like. They were sitting next to enormous packages of cheaper vegan Bubba Burgers, which aren't terrible, either. Nor are MorningStar, or other fake meats.

Aside from price and quality, I suppose the larger question is that when there are so many extremely good and satisfying meatless dishes out there already, what is the point of fake meat? Expensive fake meat at that.






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Reply A couple of weeks ago I got the dreadful Beyond sausages... (Original post)
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 OP
MFM008 Jul 2019 #1
samnsara Jul 2019 #2
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #3
Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #4
MLAA Jul 2019 #29
Kali Jul 2019 #14
DBoon Jul 2019 #35
Phoenix61 Jul 2019 #5
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #6
Saviolo Jul 2019 #7
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #9
Saviolo Jul 2019 #11
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #15
dem in texas Jul 2019 #24
kysrsoze Jul 2019 #8
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #10
sir pball Jul 2019 #12
Kali Jul 2019 #13
Phentex Jul 2019 #16
MLAA Jul 2019 #31
spinbaby Jul 2019 #17
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #19
GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #18
TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #20
Vinca Jul 2019 #21
GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #22
Vinca Jul 2019 #23
PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #25
wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #28
MLAA Jul 2019 #32
wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #26
Demovictory9 Jul 2019 #27
MLAA Jul 2019 #33
walkingman Jul 2019 #30
MLAA Jul 2019 #34

Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 08:05 AM

1. I like Veggie burgers

Even when i still ate meat.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 08:19 AM

2. i wanna know if we all eat fake meat what will happen to all the cows?

...im on a low carb lifestyle so i eat lots of meat. Nothings as good as a rare grilled t bone.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 08:33 AM

3. Cat food?

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 08:38 AM

4. herd sizes will shrink.

And the slaughter houses will be doing less slaughtering.

You aren't seriously advocating that cows are better off being butchered are you?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

29. +1000

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 11:45 AM

14. yeah, that is not going to happen

too much in the DNA. literally.

even if it did, cattle are the number one only way we are going to be able to fix unhealthy soils over immense land areas. we need them more than most can fathom.

they are the best tools for healing land (even land they have "ruined" and they make delicious, high quality, complete protein out of sun, rain, and plant matter we can not digest.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 12:41 AM

35. Same thing that happened to horses when people started driving cars

I suspect eventually "real" meat will be considered a luxury, like owning a horse is now

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 09:41 AM

5. The biggest problem with Morning Star is it is

all texturized soy protein isolate which is highly estrogenic. Not bad every once in a while but both something you want to eat all the time.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 09:53 AM

6. Blecchh. I don't much like anything soy, although last time I had Moning Star...

they hid it pretty well.

But, as I said, I make plenty of veggie meals as it is, and don't have to disguise them. Tonight I'm thinking of eggplant Parmesan with some spinach in there.

Not vegan, but I never said I was a vegetarian and certainly not a vegan. (I might even throw some bacon on top...)

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 09:58 AM

7. The point is to try and convince the culinarily unadventurous to eat more plant-based food

The beef industry has an enormous carbon footprint, and giant agribusiness factory slaughterhouses are horrible for the animals, the workers, and consumers. But there are a lot of people who think that the dinner meal must be a giant slab of grilled protein along with a pile of starch and probably some vegetables maybe.

On our cooking channel we do a bunch of interesting vegetarian dishes, including a bunch of great salads and slaws, and we'll be doing a vegetarian saag paneer (replacing the paneer with feta) in an upcoming video sometime in the next few months. Hubby also makes mapu tofu, which frequently has pork, but it is not required. The idea of meat "substitutes" reinforces the idea that we have to be eating meat all the time.

Don't get me wrong, I am nowhere near a vegetarian (though I frequently feel that I should be for environmental and corporate ethics reasons), but it is easy to have very satisfying meals that are not only meatless, but do not have a "meat substitute" either. Lots of ways to get protein and such if you're careful about what you're eating and maintain some balanced meals.

And don't get me started on those far right bitcoin carnivore cultists. There's this fringe group that has decided that the best diet for humans is 100% meat all the time, no carbs, no fibre. Just meat, fat, organ meat. Please note: This is -not- a healthy diet, and they're all going to be in agony in 15-20 years from diverticulitis.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:13 AM

9. I agree with the environmental problems with beef (and pork is worse) but...

if one is trying to wean the unadventurous off of beef, why not just make some luxurious non-meat dishes? Seems the unadventurous would run faster from fake meat than from an asparagus souffle with truffles and Bearnaise sauce. (Got yer heart attack covered, carnivores)

Salads and slaws definitely work for me, except some of them are a little too much work.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:36 AM

11. Invest in a mandolin!

I can't recommend it enough for making very fine julienne veggies for slaw, especially super fibrous stuff like beets. You can also use a box grater, but it's not quite as refined a texture.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 12:08 PM

15. Have one.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:21 PM

24. Just as many problems with growing crops. Look at corn being converted to ethanol

Eat pure food, just eat less for pete's sake! Who needs an 8 Oz (1/2 a pound od meat!)hamburger patty loaded with 2 slices of cheese?

3 or 4 ounces of protein in a meal twice a day is all the average person needs. Eat more pasta, rice and fresh veggies. Have a bowl of maltomeal or oatmeal or whole grain cereal for breakfast instead of bacon and eggs. or a bowl of plain yogurt with fruit, (plenty of protein in yogurt) but don't get the tricked out kind, try plain whole milk yogurt.

And while I am preachy, kick the sugary drinks and processed snacks habit.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:03 AM

8. Health, methane reduction, less animal deaths and taste

These are all valid reasons for fake meat. I love real beef, but I donít like what beef production is doing to the planet and growth of beef production canít continue like this.

Iím not so sure about the taste of Beyond meats - I tried the Beyond Taco at Del Taco and it was OK, but i thought the ďmeatĒ taste overpowered the taco. However, the Impossible Burger is downright delicious. If someone hadnít told me, Iíd think it was a real burger. Unfortunately, thereís a shortage of them right now.

Yeah, itís relatively expensive right now and the recipes are still being tweaked. We are in the beginning stages. You can compare this market to the electric car market. Prices are high right now, but costs will drop as production scales and more competitors enter the market.

And like electric cars, itís a done deal - just a matter of time before it eventually overtakes the market. There will always be some level of demand for a good steak, but real meat production is unsustainable at current levels, given population growth, methane byproducts and destruction of forest lands for grazing.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 10:16 AM

10. Get the price down and the taste up and I'm on board.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 11:35 AM

12. I'm holding out for the retail launch of Impossible products

I've tried both Beyond and Impossible; Beyond I can take or leave but Impossible, at least in grilled-patty form, is pretty damn solid. Solid enough that I'd gladly sub it out for 85% of the burgers that I eat, and I'm a certified meat lover. Once they hit stores this year I'll probably always have a pack on hand.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 11:40 AM

13. probably it is the Apple version of fake meat?


















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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 04:59 PM

16. I LIKE the hot Italian Beyond Meat sausages and will grill them tomorrow...

everybody's taste buds are different. I like the burgers too.

The point? They give some of us satisfaction.

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Response to Phentex (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

31. I like to put the hot Italian sausage in pasta dishes 🙂

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2019, 05:41 PM

17. I prefer to just eat less meat

When I go vegetarian, itís not imitation meat, itís tofu, beans, lentils, and other tasty vegetable protein sources. When I eat meat, itís real meat, which I try to obtain from local sources.

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Response to spinbaby (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:49 PM

19. You're right. I usually do the same and actually like most vegetables. I just...

like to experiment at times. I'm not a vegetarian by any means, but I have cut down on meat a lot

It is really silly to pay that much money for fake meat.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:40 PM

18. Quorn meatless sausages are alright, if you can get them on sale.

They make a couple of different refrigerated varieties. The Italian-style are okay. Haven't tried the sweet apple variety. I love their frozen breakfast sausages. patties and links. They used to make sausage crumbles, but sadly, they discontinued those. Those were great on pizza or in other Italian dishes.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:50 PM

20. I'll check 'em out if I see them on sale.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 07:00 AM

21. I got a freebie bag of Quorn granules that are supposed to be like hamburger.

For some reason they grossed me out so badly when I opened the bag I threw them away. Gray and gross. Looked like a new brand of cat litter.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 08:24 AM

22. Did you even bother to try it before you threw it out?

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 12:33 PM

23. Just looking at the stuff made me gag, so no . . . I didn't.

It ended up in the compost pile. The local crows left a note on the back door later in the day. It said "Never again."

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:52 PM

25. I likewise don't understand the appeal of fake meat.

There's a dishonesty in being vegetarian or whatever and then going for a fake version of what you say is so awful.

Personally, I'm a happy eater of real meat, but were I do give it up, I'd skip the fake stuff.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:20 PM

28. There is no dishonesty. We know the stuff is plant or soy based. The sight of raw meat or chicken

 

makes me gag. I have always had an aversion to meat.

When I did eat meat it was always what kind of meat to fix then what to go with it. People are used to thinking like that. If they go vegetarian they still are thinking of meat first and what to have with it. So we substitute veggies meat for real meat.

I think trying to find fault with veggie meat or those that eat it rediculous.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:34 PM

32. I like the Beyond Burgers and Impossible burgers

10 years ago before going vegan I liked hamburgers. Now I can still enjoy them sometimes without the guilt of any animal dying 😉.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:04 PM

26. It gives people more choices. As a vegetarian I like fake meat. So it gives me something

 

to enjoy. That is why in my opinion.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:16 PM

27. i like fake meat but some types are too salty

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:36 PM

33. I love them so I can occasionally enjoy a burger without anyone dying

The Beyond Burger and impossible Burger are both good to me. Neither terribly healthy, but I sure enjoy them.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

30. Not sure but I hope trying to save the planet is somewhere in the equation.

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Response to walkingman (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:37 PM

34. Animal cruelty and the planet are for sure in my equation 🙂

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