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Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:20 PM Jun 2013

I'm dog sitting for a friend

and they brought " Kibbles and Bits" as Lucky's ( the dog ) food.

Beaulah my two your old Boston got into it and has been sick throwing up and running outside eating grass and throwing up again! My dogs eat Wellness if that helps any.

What to do? Should I give her some pepto? Run her to the emergency vet?

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I'm dog sitting for a friend (Original Post) Texasgal Jun 2013 OP
That's what dogs do to clean out their digestion system. BainsBane Jun 2013 #1
I figured she wasn't used to it. Texasgal Jun 2013 #3
mind you I'm not a vet BainsBane Jun 2013 #5
Not that I know of. Texasgal Jun 2013 #7
I AM NOT A VET, JUST A DOG OWNER. But if the bag was sealed, and you have no jtuck004 Jun 2013 #2
My vet has a 24 hour facility Texasgal Jun 2013 #6
Yeah, I don't know that it would rise to a visit. I was just suggesting a jtuck004 Jun 2013 #9
I was actually wondering if they just picked that up on the way out of town, or jtuck004 Jun 2013 #10
I think so. Texasgal Jun 2013 #12
It sounds like just a stomach upset. Also see if she poops in the yard. Want to make jtuck004 Jun 2013 #13
Oh, they are open. Texasgal Jun 2013 #15
I know that story very well. But those are the ones we care most about, eh? jtuck004 Jun 2013 #16
This is the reason that they suggest Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #4
I bought some pepto but I've waited Texasgal Jun 2013 #8
Since you know the cause (different food) of the diarrhea, if it continues... Walk away Jun 2013 #11
Yes. I've thought about this Texasgal Jun 2013 #14
I agree KC Jun 2013 #17
Is your babies gelatinous at all or just runny? avebury Jun 2013 #18
How's she doin'? n/t jtuck004 Jun 2013 #19
Just got in form an epic day at my fathers house! Texasgal Jun 2013 #20
sounds like she just had a reaction to the new food TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #24
tablespoon of canned pumpkin fadedrose Jun 2013 #21
Here DainBramaged Jun 2013 #22
Wow. Texasgal Jun 2013 #23

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
1. That's what dogs do to clean out their digestion system.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jun 2013

I wouldn't worry about it. Find a way to feed the dogs separately so yours doesn't keep eating the food that bothers it. Don't leave the bowl full between meals.

My dog eats Kibbles and Bits and doesn't have any problems, but yours is evidently not used to it.

Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
3. I figured she wasn't used to it.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:38 PM
Jun 2013

I am just concerned about the barfing and the leafs she's been eating outside. She had diarrhea too.

I've separated the food and no full bowls are available for free eating. She just won't stop barfing, she's upchucked like 10 times today. UGH. Poor baby!

Thanks for the advice. I'll wait to see what happens.

BainsBane

(53,012 posts)
5. mind you I'm not a vet
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jun 2013

I've just seen dogs eat grass and throw up. I don't see how the dog food could hurt her. If she got into something dangerous, that would be another story.

Do you know if she has allergies?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. I AM NOT A VET, JUST A DOG OWNER. But if the bag was sealed, and you have no
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:36 PM
Jun 2013

real reason to suspect poisoning or bad food, it may just be the change in food. Wellness (we use that too) is quite a bit different from K&B, and it may just be an upset to her system. Or she may have just had too much.

Just keep her away from food for the evening, water is probably ok, see where you are tomorrow.

I would probably prefer grass to Kibbles and Bits if I had my choice too.

All that said, if you can find a vet open, or just a place that can give you some advice on a phone call, you may want to try that. If nothing local, look around for a state university vet program, see if they have a hospital number you can call and ask.



Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
6. My vet has a 24 hour facility
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

if I need to take her, it just costs out the wazoo for an emergency visit.

The food has been put away, it was just a small amount that Bealah got in to but it was enough, I only know this because it was bits and pieces of the food along with grass and outside stuff she's been munching on.

Funny thing, my male Boston never touched Lucky's food.. he wasn't interested...almost like he "knew". LOL!

Dogs! I love 'em... crazy babies that they are!

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. Yeah, I don't know that it would rise to a visit. I was just suggesting a
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jun 2013

call if you felt uncomfortable waiting it out.

But yeah, my dogs are my kids and have been for years. We did a fair amount of shelter rescue, sick ones, etc, and their resilience has always amazed me.

Is that what Lucky normally eats?


 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. I was actually wondering if they just picked that up on the way out of town, or
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:58 PM
Jun 2013

if it was something they had been using, or just sitting around...

Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
12. I think so.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jun 2013

The owners are good friends. I contacted them about the food and they said that what he normally eats.

he hasn't fallen ill so I presume that Beaulah's system is just saying no to that food.

I am hoping that she gets over her distress soon, she didn't even want to take a her evening walk like she usually does.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. It sounds like just a stomach upset. Also see if she poops in the yard. Want to make
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:02 PM
Jun 2013

sure the pipes are open on both ends.

Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
15. Oh, they are open.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jun 2013

Poor little baby.

We rescued her as a puppy from a puppy mill, she was so sick! She had giardia and was packed with worms, she also had an awful eye infection that required surgery. So, we've been through the trenches with her.

I just feel awful allowing this to happen, it's clear she feels like crap.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
16. I know that story very well. But those are the ones we care most about, eh?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:21 PM
Jun 2013

Generally they don't get a tremendous reaction to it, unless they eat a whole bunch, or unless there is something they are allergic to.

But it sounds like you are doing all you can. You might call your 24 hour vet and see if they can give you signs to watch for, just in case it is more severe than it sounds.

But it sounds like the food wasn't contaminated, so if she is drinking water, pooping, has eaten grass and thrown up, breathing relatively normally, no obvious belly enlargement, no blood coming out where it shouldn't, gums ok, all those things we look for, it may just be that she needs some time.

Eating a new food does seem to hit some harder than others, but they usually get through it ok. (Think about all the dogs that hit the "shelter". People wonder why they make such a mess, but nearly all of them are getting a new food, and generally the cheapest thing that can be provided.

Good luck with her, and give her a couple extra belly rubs for us.



Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. This is the reason that they suggest
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:42 PM
Jun 2013

that you change food on your pets very gradually. Their system is used to what they regularly eat, and they can get digestive problems from a new food. This can happen to us too, like I am so used to not eating fried foods that I have problems when I do eat them. Same goes for dogs.

I would not worry about it unless the vomiting continues for a while (and that would mean you could wait until Monday for your regular vet if it was needed). Don't let your Beaulah eat Lucky's food anymore. Feed them separately. I would expect that this will resolve itself. But.....pepto will do no harm if you feel that Beaulah has a tummy ache and isn't acting normally.

Good luck.

Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
8. I bought some pepto but I've waited
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jun 2013

only because I've read that whatever is causing her tummy distress it's best to let her expel it.

She's usually very playful ( she is a terrier) and today she's just been pathetic lying around on a blanket until she goes outdoors to eat more lawn stuff and comes back only to barf up on clean sheets or the couch.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
11. Since you know the cause (different food) of the diarrhea, if it continues...
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jun 2013

for more than a day, your Vet will likely give you Flagyll to stop it and advise you to feed rice and low fat meat like chicken or lamb. You don't want it to go on too long because they can dehydrate. Colitis builds upon itself. I would go to the Vet and stop it.

Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
14. Yes. I've thought about this
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jun 2013

I know if I call the vet they will ask me to bring her. I am hoping I can get through 24 hours and then go. Emergency visits are so expensive although I'd do it if I absolutely had to.

KC

(1,995 posts)
17. I agree
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:14 AM
Jun 2013

with Walkaway. I wouldn't feed him at all probably for 24 hours. You need to let his system calm down and they can go a day or two without food. Just water is very important. Then start back feeding in a very small amount. Like Walkaway said a tiny bit of rice and one small spoonful of the Wellness or a tiny bit of plain cooked chicken. Wellness also makes a canned food called Simple. Light blue label. It's just turkey and potato or they make one that is ONLY chicken. See if he keeps that down and in! If so then do the same small amount at dinner. If he's still sick take him
in to get the Flagyl RX.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
18. Is your babies gelatinous at all or just runny?
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:59 AM
Jun 2013

I would watch her diarrhea real closely particularly to see if the become bloody. If it becomes bloody and gelatinous I would definitely recommend taking her to the vets. If your baby continues to throw up and have ordinary diarrhea by Monday morning, definitely take your baby to the Vets. My biggest concern would be 1) dehydration and 2) if it goes on too long, having the natural bacteria in her stomach and intestines getting out of balance.


One of my babies has a sensitive stomach and has developed hemorrhagic gastroenteritis 4 times. It is rough on her and hard to watch for me (plus very expensive). Knowing what to look for I can catch it early on now and I rush her to the vets. I am fortunate that we have a Vet Hospital not too far from where I live that is open 24/7 with regular vet hours until 10 pm at night every nigth. I have been to an emergency vet clinic and I know how expensive it can be just to even walk through the door. This 24/7 place has been a god send of a back up vet place when I can't get to my regular vet.

Good luck with your fur-baby. Hopefully it is just a tummy upset from the different food.

Texasgal

(17,037 posts)
20. Just got in form an epic day at my fathers house!
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:30 PM
Jun 2013

She is doing much better! She even went swimming!

When she woke up this morning she seemed a bit better but still kinda puny. I gave her some water and she in a few hours she acted like she wanted food. I fed her a very small amount and she gobbled it up, but I didn't feed her more.

Went to BBQ and swim for fathers day and decided to taker her with me! She had a blast with my parents dogs and went crazy with the ball in the pool.

We are home now and more food as just been served. I think she's okay now! Whew!

Thanks for everyones thoughts and advice! I think we are good!

Happy Fathers Day to all the Dads out there!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
24. sounds like she just had a reaction to the new food
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:03 AM
Jun 2013

Dogs can be very very sensative to a diet change. They can even have tummy trouble from just a change in tap water. Just keep an eye on her, check how her bowel movements look and try to get her back on her regular diet. Sometimes these tummy upsets can just last for a few days to nearly a week until their system gets all readjusted back to normal.

Glad to know your sweetie is doing so much better! I know, it's really scary when they suddenly get really sick and you aren't sure why or what to do. They're our babies, so of course it's scary.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
21. tablespoon of canned pumpkin
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:25 AM
Jun 2013

Will help her empty her bowels. = not pie filling, just plain pumpkin.

Our dog just got sick from Zero Grain, very expensive. Vet (new young guy)said she was healthy and that it might be the new food. No vomiting, just listless, barely able to jump on chairs, the bed, just miserable looking. He suggested a bit of pumpkin, but he didn't know for sure it was the dog food till I took her off of it, then change her dog food.

Our old vet who retired always had me take the animal off of dog food when it was sick, and replace it with some boiled chicken - no spices, etc., and go back to dog food when the dog was having a normal bowel movement, etc. So I put our dog on chicken and veggies thrown in hot water for a minute to kill germs, than threw the veggies (uncooked) into the chopper - celery, parsley, carrots, lettuce, and saved the water for her to drink. She ate pumpkin from my hand. Made a 4-5 day supply of these.

She's much better now. This all happened in the last week or so when we bought the new dog food (turkey and potato). Long time ago, she got sick from Beneful.

Also, she'd had a tick, and applied Frontline Plus for that problem.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
22. Here
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jun 2013

Kibbles ‘n Bits receives the Advisor’s lowest rating of 1 star.

The Kibbles ‘n Bits product line includes 8 dry dog foods. However, since we’re unable to locate AAFCO nutritional adequacy statements for these dog foods on the Kibbles ‘n Bits website, it’s impossible for us to report specific life stage recommendations for these recipes.

The following is a list of recipes available at the time of this review.

■Kibbles ‘n Bits Small Breed
■Kibbles ‘n Bits ‘n Beefy Bits
■Kibbles ‘n Bits Weight Maintenance
■Kibbles ‘n Bits Bistro Meals Grilled Chicken
■Kibbles ‘n Bits Homestyle Roasted Chicken
■Kibbles ‘n Bits Homestyle Grilled Beef Steak
■Kibbles ‘n Bits Bistro Meals Oven Roasted Beef
■Kibbles ‘n Bits Original Savory Beef and Chicken Flavor
Kibble ‘n Bits Original Savory Beef and Chicken Flavor was selected to represent the other products in the line for this review.

Ingredients: corn, soybean meal, beef and bone meal, ground wheat flour, animal fat (BHA used as preservative), corn syrup, wheat middlings, water sufficient for processing, animal digest (source of chicken flavor), propylene glycol, salt, hydrochloric acid, potassium chloride, caramel color, sorbic acid (used as a preservative), sodium carbonate, minerals (ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, manganous oxide, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), choline chloride, vitamins (vitamin E supplement, vitamin A supplement, niacin supplement, D-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement), calcium sulfate, titanium dioxide, yellow 5, yellow 6, red 40, BHA (used as a preservative), dl methionine

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.9%

The first ingredient in this dog food is corn. Corn is an inexpensive and controversial cereal grain of only modest nutritional value to a dog.

For this reason, we do not consider corn a preferred component in any dog food.

The second ingredient is soybean meal. Soybean meal is relatively useful by-product — what remains of soybeans after all the oil has been removed.

Although soybean meal contains 48% protein, this ingredient would be expected to have a lower biological value than meat.

And less costly plant-based products like this can notably boost the total protein reported on the label — a factor that must be considered when judging the actual meat content of this dog food.

The third item lists beef and bone meal, a dry rendered product from (beef) tissues, including bone, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents”.1

Beef and bone meal has a lower biological value than most other meat meals.

Scientists believe this decreased protein quality may be due to the ingredient’s higher ash and lower essential amino acid content.2

On the brighter side, beef and bone meals are meat concentrates and contain nearly 300% more protein than fresh meat.

In any case, beef and bone meal is not considered a better quality dog food ingredient.

The fourth item is wheat. Wheat is nutritionally similar to corn and subject to corn’s same shortcomings and problems.

The fifth ingredient is animal fat. Animal fat is a generic by-product of rendering, the same high-temperature process used to make meat meals.

Since there’s no mention of a specific animal, this item could come from almost anywhere: roadkill, spoiled supermarket meat, dead, diseased or dying cattle — even euthanized livestock.

What’s worse, this fat is preserved with BHA, a suspected cancer-causing agent.

We do not consider generic animal fat preserved with BHA a quality ingredient.

The sixth ingredient is corn syrup. Corn syrup consists mainly of glucose, a sugar capable of causing an unhealthy rise in a dog’s blood sugar.

The seventh ingredient is wheat middlings, commonly known as “wheat mill run”. Though it may sound wholesome, wheat mill run is actually an inexpensive by-product of cereal grain processing.

In reality, wheat middlings are nothing more than milling dust and floor sweepings — and an ingredient more typically found in the lower quality pet foods.

After water, we find animal digest. Animal digest is a chemically hydrolyzed mixture of animal by-products that is usually sprayed onto the surface of a dry kibble to improve its taste.

From here, the list goes on to include a number of other items.

But to be realistic, ingredients located this far down the list (other than nutritional supplements) are not likely to affect the overall rating of this product.

With four notable exceptions…

First, this Kibbles ‘n Bits product contains the controversial food moisturizer, propylene glycol. Propylene glycol has been banned by the FDA for use in making cat food.

But it can still be found to this day in lower quality dog foods.

Next, we’re always disappointed to find artificial coloring in any dog food. Coloring is used to make the product more appealing to you, not your dog. After all, do you really think your dog cares what color his kibble is?

Thirdly, we find no mention of probiotics, friendly bacteria applied to the surface of the kibble after processing to help with digestion.

And lastly, the minerals listed here do not appear to be chelated. And that can make them more difficult to absorb. Non-chelated minerals are usually associated with lower quality dog foods.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-reviews/kibbles-n-bits-dog-food-dry/


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