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marzipanni

(6,011 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 03:58 AM Jan 2015

It seems our poor old dog has had a stroke *update added*


She has been walking like a drunk, lurching or veering to the left, her hind left leg crosses to the right side when she tries to stand still, but she ends up keeling over. She can't hold urine but gets restless when she has to go, so we carry her outside, and I covered her bed with a big plastic bag and old towels. Tomorrow I'm taking her to get that final injection to send her to the great beyond but I secretly want the veterinarian to say, "No, you don't have to do that yet, she can recuperate from this."

Seven months ago her eyes were moving back and forth fast, like a when a passenger tries to focus on the scenery outside the window of a car or train moving fast. Her head was tilted, and she stumbled when trying to walk. I googled her symptoms and people on pet care sites said not to let the veterinarian tell you it's a stroke, it's called old dog vestibular disease and dogs usually recover but still might have the head-tilt. Prednisone can help, and she took that for a short time.
She recovered well and was just weak in her hind legs and for the past month or two needed a boost from behind going up the 6 back steps from the back yard. But in the past few days she struggles to stand, can only walk a few feet and then leans her left side against something to stay standing, or slumps down. She still likes to eat if I help her.

Has anyone had experience with a dog having had a stroke?

on edit- It's midnight here and I'm going to bed, so if you reply I'll be reading it tomorrow.


Update-
I want to thank each of you who responded to my despondent post.
Our dear dog Sally was euthanized yesterday.
She just had too many bad symptoms happening at once, and at an old age we don't think she could have recovered.

Our kind, older rural veterinarian accompanied his assistant and me, after she had taken me into an exam room to have a little talk, out to the parking lot. Next to his sheep and llama corral under the trees, he sat on the bumper of my station wagon to give Sally the injection, as I said, "good dog, Sally", right into her ear, because she was deaf. He said, "This will be fast", and it was. My husband had dug her grave, and we buried her near our two dogs and two cats from the past thirty years.

RIP, Sally, my wonderful friend, daughter, sister.



Sally, a few years ago


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It seems our poor old dog has had a stroke *update added* (Original Post) marzipanni Jan 2015 OP
one of our family cats did TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #1
I did shenmue Jan 2015 #2
I'm so sorry. One of my cats had similar symptoms and it turned out to be catbyte Jan 2015 #3
hugs to you both fizzgig Jan 2015 #4
:( so sorry. Myrina Jan 2015 #5
I hope Hank will hang in there as long as he's still enjoying life! marzipanni Jan 2015 #15
Hank crossed the bridge on Sunday. Myrina Jan 2015 #18
I just came in to the house missing Sally, and now read that you are going through this, too. marzipanni Jan 2015 #21
rest easy, hank fizzgig Jan 2015 #22
Thanks Myrina Jan 2015 #23
Sending warm thoughts your way. grntuscarora Jan 2015 #6
I had a dog that had peripheral vestibular syndrome avebury Jan 2015 #7
Yes, she did have that 7 months ago marzipanni Jan 2015 #12
Yes she was an older dog (14 years old). avebury Jan 2015 #14
I'm very sorry for your loss. sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #8
I'm so sorry for your loss. Sally will live on in your heart and I'm sure you gave her a great life! phylny Jan 2015 #9
I am so sorry irisblue Jan 2015 #10
Sympathies. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #11
I'm so sorry for your loss! TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #13
Thank you, for your kind words. I think your family's cat had marzipanni Jan 2015 #16
no, it was a stroke TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #17
I am so sorry for what you're going through ... Myrina Jan 2015 #19
Lots and lots of hugs. oldandhappy Jan 2015 #20

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
1. one of our family cats did
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jan 2015

The symptoms you describe are exactly what she went through. She did recover but always leaned a bit to the left, and at first couldn't negotiate doorways very well, but she acclimated to her world being off kilter. She lived for many years after her stroke. Everyone called her Tilt instead of her name afterward... none of us really liked her name very much, and the nickname Tilt was made in a loving way.

I was a kid at the time, so I don't remember if she took any meds at first or anything. But she did get better and pretty quickly though it was both sad and humorous to see her trying to steer herself through doorways and get her head in the food dish or water bowl until she got that figured out. She got quite good at figuring out how to steer more to the right so that after awhile she could even run without crashing into anything. She was actually a lot more endearing after her stroke with that kooky little tilt to the left, and she even became rather more friendly (she was not a very nice kitty before... she more or less just grudging tolerated everyone including the other pets).

Don't despair. It's very scary to see when it first happens... I definitely remember that. We all were so certain that she'd have to be put to sleep when my parents took her to the vet, and we'd never see her again. We were really shocked that they brought her home and that she expected to fully recover other than that wee bit of tilt.



catbyte

(34,360 posts)
3. I'm so sorry. One of my cats had similar symptoms and it turned out to be
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jan 2015

Vestibular disease, too. She recovered about 80% with antibiotics and steroids. I hope your baby gets better. It's so very hard when they're sick. I'll be thinking of you.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
5. :( so sorry.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jan 2015

She may have had more than one?

I am in a similar situation with my 15 year old Hank. He has a heart murmur, fluid in his lungs, weakness in his back end ... but mentally he's still My Boy.

I have made - and cancelled - " that appointment" twice already. I simply can't imagine my life without him.

You & your baby are in my thoughts.

marzipanni

(6,011 posts)
15. I hope Hank will hang in there as long as he's still enjoying life!
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jan 2015

It was almost easier with my two previous dogs because they went without my decision. My old boy dog had continuous seizures that could not be reversed, my old girl dog died of heart failure on my lap while we were camping, at night sitting by the camp fire. I think being at the mountain elevation was too much for her old heart. My husband, son, who was was almost 8 years old, and I consoled ourselves with the idea this happened in a setting of the most ancient relationship between humans and canines, at the campfire.

The other evening I was at a gas station and saw a little heeler mix sitting on the console of an SUV. I told the woman that I liked her dog, and she rolled down the window more and said, "This one is my grandchild I babysit on Sundays. She's shy", and just as she said, "Mine are in the back", I heard a bass, "WOOF!" She had dark windows so I couldn't see the dogs, and since there was no one behind us she got out and opened the back window and two big hound-shepherd mix dogs, a brother and sister, stuck their heads out. They were calm and friendly, and I patted them while their "mom" and I talked about them, and other dogs, for a couple of minutes.
I need at least a small daily dog fix!

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
18. Hank crossed the bridge on Sunday.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:50 AM
Jan 2015

He had a couple bad nights - barely able to breathe, I could hear the fluid gurgling in his lungs - and Sunday while trying to eat he lost equilibrium & fell partially into his water bowl. I got him up & could tell "it" was happening ... he couldn't catch a breath. We jumped in the truck & got to the vet and they confirmed he was in 'active heart failure' ... all I could do was hug him & talk to him (even though he was deaf) & give the ok for the vet to help him cross the Bridge.

I sat in the garage for awhile afterwards, not wanting to go in the house because he was always the first to greet me and I knew this time he wouldn't be there. It was *so* difficult. My other 3 dogs have been noticeably somber this week.

I wrote him an obituary that I posted to my Facebook page, and selected his urn yesterday.

I've been through it with 2 furr kids already but Hank was my first dog, top dog, and had been with me just shy of 15 years. We'd been through a lot together.


marzipanni

(6,011 posts)
21. I just came in to the house missing Sally, and now read that you are going through this, too.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jan 2015

I'm so sorry that Hank crossed over, but he stayed with you as long as he could. to you, and please hug your other dogs.
I wrote about our last dog, Billie-girl, to remember her, and for therapy for me. I'll do the same about Sally, but so far I just think about her and miss her.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
7. I had a dog that had peripheral vestibular syndrome
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jan 2015

that caused her to walk in circles, balance issues, and gave her a head tilt. She stayed at the vets for a couple of days and came home with medications. It took a while for her to overcome it and she was left with kind of a head tilt for the rest of her life. It was scary and there is not quick cure for it. I am attaching a link where you can get an idea of what it is. You might keep this in mind when you go to the vet tomorrow.

http://www.essortment.com/dog-ear-problems-canine-peripheral-vestibular-syndrome-22368.html

marzipanni

(6,011 posts)
12. Yes, she did have that 7 months ago
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 02:41 AM
Jan 2015

I decided that must be what it was, because of the rapid back and forth eye movement - it reminded me of when I had mild vertigo and felt that the room was spinning when I was lying down and turned my head.
The veterinarian saw her stumbling when I took her in in June, and said she had a stroke. I asked him to prescribe prednisone, which some people on the internet said had helped their dogs recover from this. She recovered in a week or so.

This time she kept crossing her left hind leg farther to the right than her right leg, and tumbled to the left, and would try to get up but would push with her front legs and spin, because she couldn't seem to get her back legs in the right position to lift her back end- they stuck straight forward between her front legs. She lost control of her bladder and bowels. We helped her for a week or so, but it just seemed like the time had come to not make her feel helpless anymore.

Was your dog old when she had peripheral vestibular syndrome? When I looked up her symptoms in June, some websites call it Old Dog Vestibular disease.
Thanks for the article, I hope others who have dogs will be aware of what those symptoms mean.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
14. Yes she was an older dog (14 years old).
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 07:28 AM
Jan 2015

It was really really scary because she woke me up in the middle of night when she was stumbling around. She was a good size dog and I thought that I would have to call my friend to send her husband over to get her into my car. I have no rugs in my house and while she was at the vets I bought several small rugs to put throughout the house to help her get around. When I brought her home she still had some mobility issues (walking around in circles etc). I wondered if I had done the right thing but stuck with her. It took a while for the worst of the symptoms to go away but she always had a slight head tilt for the rest of her life. I had her for about another year.

I got irritated with the Vet because he acted like she should have just snapped out of it with the medications but all of my research indicated that there is no quick cure. I was more realistic with her rate of progress then he was. I will say though that he diagnosed her correctly right away. She did have the rapid eye movement. She didn't have any bladder or bowl issues.

My Vet told me that some people will just have the dogs put down rather then deal with their dog's problems. I was glad that I stuck it out with her and she recovered enough to have a decent quality of life.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
13. I'm so sorry for your loss!
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:15 AM
Jan 2015

I was so hoping that Sally would pull through or that some kind of medication or something could be done.

What a beautiful girl she was, and I'm sure she brought you so much love and joy from the moment you brought her into your life.



marzipanni

(6,011 posts)
16. Thank you, for your kind words. I think your family's cat had
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jan 2015

vestibular disease, the head tilt is often a residual effect. Those same symptoms Sally had last summer were weird, and I was relieved when I looked them up and they were an exact description of vestibular disease, a treatable illness.
This time she had different symptoms, and her left back leg didn't seem to do what her brain wanted it to do. Her back end was too weak to squat, so she had to relieve herself lying down... I tried to help her but holding her up only worked the last day or two when she had diarrhea and couldn't hold it in! Poor girl, I just don't think she would have gotten much out of life struggling along like that.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
17. no, it was a stroke
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 03:36 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:38 AM - Edit history (1)

She had all her symptoms all at once though. Gads, I remember those rapid shaking eyeballs from side to side - that was freaky. She went and hid between the wall and the side of the sofa (one of her favorite hiding places for an uninterrupted nap), and I never saw myself how she moved, but what my mom described was just like you said about your dog. I remember that like it was yesterday because that conversation also included the horrible explanation that she might have to be put to sleep when they took her to the vet... I sobbed on my bed before they even put her in the cat carrier until they came home. I was just a kid at the time... junior high, but I don't remember what grade.

We were just shocked that she ended up coming home. She wasn't old then though, so maybe that had something to do with it. Or that she was a cat. Or something. I'm guessing she was probably around maybe eight years old? Could be less than that, but I don't think it was older. I can't remember if she had to take any meds of any kind for the short term. I'm thinking not because I'd likely remember my parents trying to get a pill down her... she would have fought like a dragon! She didn't take anything for the long term or have special food or anything. She just mended in time which was surprisingly short. Maybe she was just lucky that other than that goofy wee head tilt she was fine. It just took her awhile to renegotiate how to move to get through a doorway or get her head in the food or water bowl since she kilted to the left. Some people have strokes they almost fully recover from while other people have stokes that just almost completely debilitate them permanently or kill them. I guess it would be the same for animals.

I think you definitely did the right thing hard as that decision always is. Quality of life is important. If they can't do all the basics (eat, drink ambulate successfully, pee and poo normally, are in pain or suffering in some other way) it's time to make that really horrible judgment call. Ugh, just thinking about it makes me want to cry!

I'll share with you what one of my brother's did with me after I lost my first furbaby... it was the last act of love you could have given. And it really is.



Myrina

(12,296 posts)
19. I am so sorry for what you're going through ...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jan 2015

It seems our pups crossed the Bridge within hours of each other. Maybe they met in the waiting line.

:hugs:

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