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tblue37

(65,322 posts)
2. Six years old--she was abandoned at a farm. When Tiny Kittens found her, she was pregnant but
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:08 PM
Apr 2017

emaciated. She has bad, painful teeth, so she had trouble eating. She has managed to gain 1.5 pounds since being fed regularly in a safe space--and being given soft food that does not hurt her mouth.

Once she is done nursing and her weight is up, she will be spayed, have dental surgery, and be adopted to a loving home.

Another pregnant feral, named Corsica, is due any time, too, and her kitten watch is on the same feed. Right now it is all about Evolene, since she is actually dropping kittens right now, but the cameras normally go back and forth between the two, and sometimes both are able to be viewed at the same time.

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
6. Tiny Kittens is a rescue organization in Langley, British Columbia--run
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:42 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

by Shelley Roche. Go to Tiny Kittens on FaceBook to learn all about them:

https://www.facebook.com/tinykittens/

I am not involved (other than following their rescues and "fixathons" online and donating regularly), but I do have 4 cats, 3 of whom were feral rescues. The fourth was from the accidental pregnancy of a friend's cat who got out and got pregnant a week before she was scheduled to get spayed!

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
8. They are a lot of fun. I have 3 girls-ages 12, 11.5, and almost 7,
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 08:55 PM
Apr 2017

and a boy, age 4.5.

I tell the story of how I captured and adopted my feral boy Tico in a post on another thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1161&pid=30573

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
13. I'd like your opinion about my foster mama cat.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 11:44 PM
Apr 2017

She is what I'd call semi-feral. She was being fed at someone's door, and came into their house on her own to have her kittens two weeks ago. The shelter was called in, and they fostered them out to me.

So I have been trying to work with her, and if I come into the room when she's in the box with her kittens, she stays put, and I can pet her and scratch her ears, and feed her a dish of wet food while she's in with kittens. She lets me handle and pick up the kittens freely.

If I come in when she is out of the kitten box, she darts under the bed and won't come out or come toward me. I can put a dish of food under and try to coax her toward me, but she will only nibble at the food and keeps stopping to eye me warily.

It's like two different cats. What I'd like to know is how socialized you think I can get her. It's been two weeks and we are making some progress, but she hasn't every come toward me. And won't leave the box while I'm there. When I had some other people come into the room to see the kittens, she freaked and then did jump out of the box and under the bed.

I'll have her at least six more weeks, while the kittens grow up and get big enough for adoption. Do you think she will be adoptable by then, too?

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
14. I've had ferals before
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 12:25 AM
Apr 2017

I tend to think if she allows you to pet her and the kittens, she can be socialized. How long it will take is the question, and it may take longer than six weeks. Even then, new people may scare her for awhile. If she hides under the bed, sit on the floor and read or watch tv. Maybe when she sees that you're not going to grab her she'll eventually come to you.

We had a group of ferals living under our porch several years ago. I would sit on the steps and talk quietly to them for long periods, often with some food nearby. They eventually learned to come to me and would allow me to pet them and even cuddle them, but it was a long process.

Since she trusted people enough that she went into someone's house to have her kittens, I hope that it's just the newness of your house and you that's the problem and once she learns you're okay she'll be fine.

Good luck!

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
15. It can take a while. She has had plenty to fear in he, after all. Patience will be rewarded, though.
Sat Apr 8, 2017, 11:09 AM
Apr 2017

Many years ago, I coaxed a feral half-grown kitten whose mother had been hit by a car. My old cat Luke used to bring stray kittens home for me, so I was not surprised to see he had corralled the kittie whose mother had died. But the cat, about 6-8 months old at the time, was feral, so I couldn't get near him. Instead, I would take food out to him in the small parking lot near my apartment. At first I just left the food for him while I watched from across the lot. After a few days, I watched from a little closer. About ten days later, I was lying on the ground on my back by the food, but very, very still. A couple of days after that, I had extended my hand to lie on the ground next to the food. Think of Sigourney Weaver as Diane Fossey in Gorillas in the Mist:

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Next step was to put some tuna in the palm of my hand and lie next to the food dish with my hand lying still by the dish. the cat was skittish, but he took the tuna from my hand, so for the next couple of days that is what I did. Then I sat next to the dish, with my hand held out for him to eat the tuna from it.

Because I always would say, "Lukey, where's your little friend? Where's the other kitty?" when I would take the food out to him, the feral boy started to respond to the words "other kitty." I eventually named him "Other Kitty," and he would come for his food when I called "Other Kitty!"

Eventually, he let me scratch his head and pet him. Finally, I coaxed him into my lap with the tuna. After about two months I was able to grab him and take him inside with me, where he was scared at first, because I had suddenly snatched him, but after a few days he became less nervous and would come to get a head scratch if I was sitting down. He became a very sweet pet cat.

Some feral cats will take longer than others, and some will never completely overcome their skittishness. My Tico is afraid of nothing when he is inside. Unlike my other cats, he doesn't even flinch if I walk near him while he is eating. But when he is outside, he is extremely cautious, even with me. That cautiousness is undoubtedly why he survived as a feral for 18 months or so.

If I walk toward him outside, he scoots away from me, even if he actually wants me to give him attention. I have to sit on my porch steps for him to come to me outside. He is also always on high alert outside. When I sit on the porch to pet him and play with him, he will sometimes crouch down suddenly and stare across the street, obviously ready to dart away if necessary, because he has seen some slight movement in the distance.

One Tiny Kittens alumna--Starling--was adopted a couple of months ago with one of her kittens. The other kittens were adopted by other people, sometimes in pairs, but Star and her kitten went to the same home. After 2 months, Star's new person just finally got her to let her pet her on the head, and two days ago got her to take treats from her hand. But Star is still cautious, so she smacked the woman's hand a few times (no claws) as a warning before taking the treats.

https://www.facebook.com/StarandherKit/videos/1677614545874186/

It is possible that having one of her kittens with her has weakened her motivation to warm up to the human being. I saw that happen with a friend whose cat had one kitten who stayed with her. (one of the other kittens from that same litter is my own Lucy.) The mother cat and her remaining kitten were so close to each other that their person didn't quite fit into the bond for a long time.

Starling was feral for 18 months. She had her last litter at Tiny Kittens Headquarters (TKHQ) after being brought in by them for treatment of a severe foot wound. At first she wouldn't let anyone near her, but then she became very sweet and affectionate with Shelley and the other "cuddlers" at TKHQ.

The woman who adopted her has shown infinite patience with her, and has finally been rewarded for it. Personally, I would have been a bit more forward about socializing her to me if she were my cat. In fact, at TKHQ, Shelley would wrap her in a blanket and force lap time at first. And at first it was not comfortable for Star at all because she was so scared.

But by the time she was adopted, she had been feral for 18 months, had already had a couple of litters as a feral, and had suffered a serious wound on her foot. Then, as she experienced it, she was kidnapped and taken to a strange place where she was being approached and touched by all those people, and then forced to sit in someone's lap. Then after having and raising her kittens, she was moved a few times at TKHQ to make room for new rescues, and finally moved to SHelley's home until she was adopted. Then she was transported to an entirely new house with another strange person. That is a LOT of disruption for a 2 year old cat to go through in such a short time. Not to mention that after 18 months of being outside all the time, she is now a 100% indoor cat--which probably is a bit stressful for her. My three girl cats are OK with being indoors, but my Tico HAS to have a couple of hours outside each day or he goes bananas. He was about 18 months when I got him, but all my others were very young.

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
9. Poor sweet girl--besides her poor health, this has been such a difficult delivery for her.
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:00 PM
Apr 2017

All of the babies so far have been breech, and the first one suffered a degloving tail injury because his birth was so difficult.

I think if she had not been rescued and brought in for delivery this time, none of her babies would have survived, and little Evolene herself would probably have died, since that first kitten did not come out without Shelley's help, and if it couldn't come out, the others would not be able to come out, either.

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
16. Just saw your comments on the nother's health.
Sun Apr 9, 2017, 12:52 AM
Apr 2017

I'm hoping like crazy now that her delivery is finished she will be able to concentrate her energy on healing much more quickly.

Very best wishes, and thank you so much for protecting and caring for this helpless cat who has needed your help so much.

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
10. In case you want to go to the YouTube feed to see the actual births, here are the time stamps on the
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:03 PM
Apr 2017

YouTube video for the births. The times are all "kitten time"--i.e., Langley, B.C. time (PST):

Kitten #1 born 2:41pm PST, ginger.
Kitten #2 born 2:54pm, ginger.
Kitten #3 born 4:17pm, dilute ginger runt.
Kitten #4 born 5:04pm, ginger. At least 1 more coming.

tblue37

(65,322 posts)
12. #5 born at 5:50 p.m. All are gingers, and all have been breech births so far. Not sure of the
Fri Apr 7, 2017, 09:53 PM
Apr 2017

sex yet, but it looks like 3 boys and 2 girls.

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