This is my first post in Guns.
I would like to know who among the shooters believe your skills are up to the task of quickly and accurately shooting an armed assailant -- e.g. hitting them and no one else before they hit you -- in a self-defense situation.
As a follow-up to this question, I ask how often you participate in stress shooting evolutions to maintain this perishable skill.
Context: I am of the opinion that without constant training -- with realistically simulated stress of an active firefight -- a shooter's ability to hit a target under threat is diminished exponentially, over a time measured in weeks, not years. Because of this, it is also my opinion that shooters who do not maintain this level of training are more likely to increase the danger to themselves and others in a firefight than decrease it. The flip-side is also true -- shooters who train under stress regularly are likely to be an asset.
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"But hearing about how easy it is to kill people seems a little depressing."
At the very least.
...I am rather steadfastly in favor of the RKBA and the idea of self-defense. I believe the type of statement you mention has become less frequent and informative data taken its place. While such statements IMHO have become infrequent here, some pro-RKBA posters, who hold these opinions, have restrained themselves from sharing them as such talk lends little to the group SOP. Often the overly emotional of that group will tend to be tomb-stoned in times inversely proportional to their...... enthusiasm.
My hope is learn something from every post I read and share anything that I am confident of. Debate and discussion are always welcome.
The most valuable survival/self-defense weapon anyone will ever have is the human mind. Knowledge is power.
I like this quote!
When I do, I can put seven rounds of .45ACP in a nine inch circle in under three seconds from seven yards consistently. I can draw and fire not quite so fast or accurately, but I don't carry. If I carried I would have to hit the range a lot more frequently. I can run six rounds of .00 buckshot through a Remington 870 just as fast, and just as accurately.
I don't train much, but I've owned guns since I was six years old and I don't "switch" guns. That makes a difference.
ETA: And welcome to the gungeon!
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First, successful defensive use of a weapon, firearm or other, does NOT require actual use; one doesn't need to pull the trigger or hit a target to successfully self-defend.
Second, you seem to take as fact some presumption that danger to self is definitively greater without "constant training". I would submit that simple but effective safety training is all that's needed to counteract this effect.
Finally, I find it odd that you presume that the untrained can't shoot straight, yet you would deny larger than 7 cartridge magazines to gun owners, which seems to be downright mean.
I wonder what others think of your question.
...it's really hard to determine this.
Cops train in a particular way because it is there job to be aggressive, to move into an unknown building and conduct room-to-room searches with the goal of finding and detaining suspects, shooting anybody that attacks them, and NOT shooting (and removing from the house) innocents. So they practice this. If a department has the resources, they set up a simulated environment with pop-up targets, variable lighting, innocent bystanders, etc., and the cops train by shooting either live ammo, or paintball ammunition ("Simunitions"
through, their service guns.
Alternately, they train for quick-drawing situations, when a criminal tries to get the drop on them with a weapon after seeming normal and harmless, or for when they have to approach, with weapon drawn, a belligerent suspect and try to get that person into custody with minimal harm to all parties involved.
People owning guns for self-defense have the advantage that, usually, their attacker knows that if they (the attacker) runs away, escape is virtually guaranteed. Muggers and cat burglars and carjackers and convenience-store robbers know that their targets are not cops, so if the plan goes to shit, then can just flee. The intended victim is very unlikely to pursue them, and the cops are minutes away. Contrast this to the people that draw weapons on cops, or who are trying to flee from cops. They know that they might well have to fight the cop in order to effect an escape.
Also, a person defending their home is of course very familiar with the layout and the hiding places contained therein, lighting, shadows, floor creaks, hinge squeaks, and other things that are foreign to an intruder, so that right there takes care of much of the training that the police do. The rest of it is just the application of good gun-handling skills and a flashlight.
Of course, here comes an interesting conundrum... if a regular person DOES practice room-clearing skills in his home on a regular basis, if he DOES buy decent quantities of ammo and shoots regularly at the range, if he DOES buy a gun optimized for self-defense, if he DOES practice speed-drawing, jam-clearing, tactical reloads, and other tactical skills in home with an unloaded gun...
...then he's obviously an ammosexual, a gun-worshipping nut who most definitely should NOT be allowed to own a gun! Oh, and he's just looking for a change to kill somebody, probably a minority, legally.
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I think we might have here a logical fallacy that I haven't see described.
It's a premise just waiting for an answer representing an opportunity to be with "then I guess you agree nobody without comprehensive stress testing should have guns" or, as you indicate, "what a gun nut, have fun with your penis" or some other juvenile reply.
It's difficult to accept that the OP was sincere in looking for discussion. After 32 replies there was not further exchange.
There's a word for that, we see it daily, but not from this first time poster.
Robb...how to get along here...
1. Immediately agree that Jesus is a NRA member in good standing gave everybody guns.
2. Everybody needs guns because...SECOND AMENDMENT!
3. Venison is delicious because...SECOND AMENDMENT!
4. We need more guns because it's my right to MORE GUNS!
5. Expect your DU Mail to be jammed up with the high-powered boobery that comes from ammosexuals who have never lost a loved one to stupidity. Best thing...and what works for me, is to TOTAL IGNORE these special friends. (You will find this is your settings, under 'My Account')
6. You have been warned...so...Welcome to gun nut paradise!
