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Related: About this forumVideo concealed weapon permit holder being arrested in 2009
http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_gun-rights-advocates-furious-over-video-showing-arrest-concealed-weapon-permit-holder-28612.shtmlA video showing a concealed weapon permit holder being arrested in 2009 is getting a lot of attention online.
More than 10,000 people have viewed the dash-cam video, taped in Citrus County, in the last week alone.
It has gun rights advocates furious.
This video has been seen more than 38,000 times since it was posted on you-tube earlier this month.
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If the cop can see the gun, it was not concealed.
Grab his permit and his gun.
yup
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)The weapon is concealed until the man goes to return his wallet to his pocket and lifts his shirt up. Even in a shoulder holster underneath a jacket, there are situations where the gun may be visible. That was a complete overreaction on the part of the officer
yup
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)lucky to get a gig as dog catcher after this.
yup
my boy x dog
(13 posts)And the cop is on administrative leave.
Kudos for cheering on overzealous cops, though.
yuppers.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)He'd be dead otherwise.
sarisataka
(18,500 posts)It shows exactly why the pro rights side is so suspicious of the motives of new control laws. It also clearly points out the issue with vaguely worded laws.
-A stop for expired tabs with a completely cooperative citizen; cops reaction on glimpsing a gun "I'll shoot you in the *** back". No threat is present (except of course the officer to the citizen)
-State argument is that the exposure was not brief, even though the video has to be shown in slow motion, magnified and highlighted to show the small portion of the gun that became visible.
Thanks jpak for finding such a good illustration of these issues. >hell I'll even rec this
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)nick of time
(651 posts)FL. law was changed in 2011 to allow for an accidental showing of the firearm, also, the DA's office refused to prosecute because he thought the jury wouldn't convict and the cop was put on administrative leave pending an IA investigation.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)IIRC, the wind accidently exposed a county commissioner's gun and it created quite a stir.
nick of time
(651 posts)didn't know the specific reason for the change.
jpak
(41,757 posts)Hide or lose it.
yup
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)I thought your posts were more deliberate.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)We all wish for things that will never be.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... accidentally or otherwise.
Some of us are eating.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)And I say, "Officer, I believe state law requires me to inform you that I am armed. I will cooperate fully with you. Please tell me what you want me to do."
BTW - I haven't been stopped in years.
sylvi
(813 posts)And you're correct in using the word "armed" instead of "gun", which could be heard out of context by the officer's partner, if they have one, and cause an overreaction.
The video also serves to demonstrate something else: In a traffic stop, stay in your freakin' vehicle. Lock the door and roll the window down just enough to communicate clearly. Unless the officer orders you out, there's no sense in exposing yourself or the interior of your vehicle to a visual inspection that could serve as a pretext to a more extensive search.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)...if I ever actually carry.
And then if I'm ever actually pulled over.
Very low probability of either one.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... to wardrobe malfunctions 'round h'yere.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)That is the FIRST thing you tell the police if stopped. If he failed to do that, he's an idiot.
The deputy overreacted, but the driver did himself no favors by not mentioning that up front.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)In the absence of any threatening speech or motion whatsoever (assuming the video hasn't been selectively edited to remove Mr. Smith's profanity-laced rant about pigs or something), that officer completely blew it. He demonstrated extreme instability and paranoia, and created tension and fear where there didn't need to be any -- if anybody's gonna lose their license, it's gonna be that cop.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)carrying. I think it's common courtesy and common sense.
I've asked several cop friends and acquaintances. They react VERY differently toward someone who politely informs them upfront that they have a legal, permitted concealed weapon, versus someone who they find has a loaded weapon during the course of the interaction, but conveniently neglected to inform the LEO.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)I'd rather keep it to myself unless
1. I'm ordered out of the vehicle, or
2. I'm directly asked whether I'm wearing a gun.
We don't have carry yet, though, so it's not much of an issue.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Failure to do so can lead to loss of the permit in some places, IIRC.
sarisataka
(18,500 posts)in MN we only have to tell officers if they ask.
My habit is to hand my license and carry permit without comment in any official encounter with police.. It notifies and avoids any spoken misunderstanding; I can then reply to direct inquiries about what I am carrying and where.
So far every LEO has thanked me for letting them know and we have proceeded our interaction without incident.
This is the best approach. Saying it sounds like bragging in the wrong context. Some cops don't like it.
Kennah
(14,234 posts)FS 790.06
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html
"The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer."
One also is not required to wear a cloak of invisibility over one's firearm.