2010 CDC: Total Homicides 16,259, Firearm Homicides 11,078

[jpak]

Stop it.

Yup

[doc03]

1. What the hell is that supposed to mean? n/t

[Control-Z]

2. Wow. You're serious

aren't you?

[doc03]

3. Does that mean the op is in favor of homicides? Against gun control?

For gun control? Stop it yup? What the fuck does that mean?

[Control-Z]

4. I guess the statistic

kind of speaks for itself. No?

[doc03]

6. Well I guess you could say even if guns were eliminated

5181 still committed a homicide. So therefore if you eliminate guns they will just use another weapon. So I guess it must be pro gun.

[Control-Z]

7. Riiiight.

[doc03]

8. Then again you could say guns contributed to 11078 homicides

so if you eliminate guns you will eliminate 11078 homicides.

[gejohnston]

9. then again, when you look at Europe before

guns were invented, the murder rate was astronomical. Do I think guns civilized Europe? Of course not. Do I think it is naive to think that those 11078 murders would not happen if guns were eliminated? That would be an understatement.

[doc03]

12. They had crime statistics before guns were invented. Where did you

hear that the NRA? Maybe half of them wouldn't have happened if there weren't guns, that's still over 5500.

[gejohnston]

15. seriously?

http://andrewhammel.typepad.com/german_joys/2007/04/german_murder_r.html
http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/db026.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/23/us/historical-study-of-homicide-and-cities-surprises-the-experts.html

It always pays to expand your reading tastes.


One more thing, if you want to buy a peer reviewed paper on the subject
http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/41/4/618.full.pdf+html

[doc03]

17. What happened 200 or 300 years ago has nothing to do with

today. You had Count Dracula impaling people back then.

[iiibbb]

5. jpak, I'm doing my part

I've gone 14 years and tens of thousands of rounds without a homicide.

[Clames]

10. 2011 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 12,664; Firearm Homicides 8,583

2010 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 12,996; Firearm Homicides 8,775
2009 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 13,636; Firearm Homicides 8,146
2008 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 14,180; Firearm Homicides 9,484
2007 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 14,831; Firearm Homicides 10,086
2006 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 14,990; Firearm Homicides 10,177
2005 FBI UCR: Total Homicides 14,860; Firearm Homicides 10,100

jpak busted for using bullshit figures again.


Yup

[doc03]

16. The CDC figures he quotes are correct, see for yourself

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/deaths_2010_release.pdf

[gejohnston]

18. where does the CDC get its numbers?

doesn't seem to be from the FBI.

[doc03]

21. I don't really give a flying

fuck, look it up if it worries you. As usual a gun thread turns into a bullshit argument over whether 11000 people were were shot or 10000 rather than the subject. If someone posts a thread about assault weapons you turn it into a argument about whether it was an assault weapon or an assault rifle. If a thread is about about firing capacity it becomes an argument about magazines or clips. Its stupid.

[Clames]

22. Figures maybe...but not how he is using them.

My figures correctly state the number of Firearm Murders. The OP fails to mention the figure also counts suicides. So either he misunderstood the data or is flat out lying.

[russ1943]

25. KINGSIZE bullshit alert!

Clames in his #10 posts what he identifies as a correction to jpaks figures by posting figures that not only aren’t what he calls them, they aren’t a correction of jpak’s.

Now Clames says the figures in his #10 correctly state the number of Firearm Murders. They do not.

In his #22 response to doc03 #16 where doc says jpaks figures are correct Clames states; ” jpaks OP fails to mention the figure also counts suicides. So either he misunderstood the data or is flat out lying.”

WISQARS is an easy way to access CDC statistics and they show in 2010 there were11,078 Homicide Firearm Deaths just as jpak’s OP stated. Homicide Injury Deaths 2010 were 16,259, again just as jpak posted in the OP. Neither statistic includes suicides as Clames falsely accuses.
Clames, just what is the purpose of your posts? You accuse someone of flat out lying and using bullshit figures and your corrections are laughably flat out wrong!

[kudzu22]

11. Would you feel better if they were pushed out of windows?

[doc03]

13. Something is seriously wrong with a country when

a person gets shot to death for pulling in the wrong driveway.

[ManiacJoe]

14. Can't speak about the country, but the home owner has problems any way.

[doc03]

19. He will probably walk in Georgia, you pull in a driveway while

being Latino in Georgia is probably considered a threat. He had to stand his ground after all they guy may have gotten out of his car. .

[ManiacJoe]

20. Having been no further into GA than the ATL airport,

I am going to give the folks in GA a bit more credit than that. $5 says he goes to jail, as he should.

[Clames]

23. Wrong.

That guy was arrested and is being held on a murder charge. He will probably die in jail. Stick to the facts and leave the legal analysis to those better qualified.

[Remmah2]

24. Easy solution.

Take the guns away from the gang bangers, drug dealers and criminals.