Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumAn ominous sign...
http://online.wsj.com/article/APc78d2752a36a4f64a355fd7cca16644d.html
Starting to feel much more like 1994 all over again...
villager
(26,001 posts)Yeah, we get it.
Straw Man
(6,613 posts)Yeah, we get it.
No. You don't get it. Unless you think those kids would be alive today if Lanza's rifle had not had a pistol grip, you really do not get it. Unless you think any spree killer of defenseless children would be deterred in the least by the fact that he had to spend three or four more seconds loading magazines, you really do not get it. Unless you think that ignorant, fruitless, feel-good legislation is more important than the success of progressive politics in America, you really, really do not get it.
villager
(26,001 posts)Yeah, we get it.
Straw Man
(6,613 posts)"NRA talking points" is not a refutation; it is a verbal tic.
And by the way: Since when is "the success of progressive politics" a goal of the NRA?
villager
(26,001 posts)...sensible gun regulation.
Only rightwingers and terrified Blue Dogs, and their fellow travelers, still sign on to the NRA's ideology viz. guns in our democracy.
And as with other progressive planks -- climate regulation, return of the 4th Amendment, marijuana legalization, and so much more -- the views of the majority are thwarted by a lobbyist-owned minority.
Fake "concern" is just one of the developed talking points designed to derail conversation about the real wishes of the progressive majority.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)...anything that deprives anyone, anywhere, of military grade weaponry is a notion that should be ridiculed.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)because they are only semi auto, what is your point? Has someone introduced a bill repealing NFA?
villager
(26,001 posts)Your entirely predictable quibble doesn't make this quote from a Newtown mom any less true.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and doesn't make it any more relevant.
villager
(26,001 posts)Others, believe it or not, feel it when kids are murdered.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)blaming the device used is not rational way of dealing with the problem.
villager
(26,001 posts)Is it "NRA response-bot" software that's being used, or a handbook of "stock replies," or what?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)IFOA random response generator 3.5
So, what will I say next?
You seem to be using an out dated version of Brady response bot, I'm guessing it says has "HCI" on the 5.25 floppy disk.
Edit to add, cool thing about cloud computing, it automatically updates for my Chromebook.
villager
(26,001 posts)The claim at "randomness" was appreciated, as a stab - hey, a katana reference! -- at levity, though!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)How predictable of the anti-gun zealots.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
Nothing about that was rhetorical, or hollow and you know that.
villager
(26,001 posts)...on my part.
And hey, offer some of your own!
And welcome to DU.
Straw Man
(6,613 posts)That's the essence of the proposed "one feature" bans. And meaningless mag-capacity limits, since an unopposed shooter has the leisure to reload as many times as he wants until the police arrive.
No children's lives would be saved by Cuomo's or Feinstein's hardware bans. All your references to "blood on the floor" are meaningless slanders because your proposed solution is worthless. Let's talk about mental health. That could impact the spree killings. Let's talk about universal background checks. That could impact the straw buying that enables street crime and gang violence. But you'd rather foment culture war through your obsession with scary guns. That's faux-concern for you.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Undoubtedly, those that utter that particular spell when they read something disagreeable just know
that somewhere, somehow the NRA published a style book telling the cognoscenti how to deal with pesky
gun Prohibitionists.
The fact that that there aren't actually any "NRA talking points" deters the gun wowsers not a bit...
villager
(26,001 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)In the meantime, there are some darling hats that are simple and easy to make. Maybe you could
make a couple...
villager
(26,001 posts)Snarky graphics, etc., the whole entirely predictable bit.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Yeah, we get it.
villager
(26,001 posts)And people like me were arguing against it then, too.
Before it was fashionable, and back when gun apologists were even then their nasty, predictable selves.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I very seldom suggest a firearm to people looking to bolster their personal security. Most people aren't willing to do what I consider necessary to properly fulfill the responsibilities that gun ownership implies (proper security for the weapon, training, regular practice, etc.). They retain the right to own a firearm, but I don't recommend that they exercise that right unless they're going to do it properly.
I have also been advocating for years to end the idiotic, wasteful War on Drugs, quite possibly the single largest factor in the horrific homicide rate among young males of color (and a good few of their paler compatriots for that matter) and the innocent bystanders caught in the line of fire. Drug prohibition has made gang culture what it is today: a large, pathologically aggressive, and comparatively well-off (financially) subculture that can afford armaments and isn't shy about using them.
Seriously, you couldn't be more wrong.
villager
(26,001 posts)But I agree with you entirely about the idiocy of the drug war(s) however.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)You've demonstrated an interest in discussion and mentioned some common ground.
Thanks
villager
(26,001 posts)Am always stunned to find anything other that rote talking points here, leavened with lots of snark, but was also glad that to find substantive points... being discussed in what has basically become the usually dreary subthread of proclamations...
Here's a wave back at ya:
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)...don't always care for the source, this quote has lots of merit: "Anyone who thinks they have a monopoly on truth, and that there is only one way to see the world, will always get us into trouble."
Many folks on both sides of this discussion, myself included, will occasionally talk past the other person. This tends to stifle progress and foster hard feelings through both sides feeling that they are not being respected by the other.
Speaking of disrespect I leave you with a and a quote.
"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli
villager
(26,001 posts)In any case, have a good evening, and I'm off to enjoy that devil's food donut!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I certainly acknowledge that my initial post was just a bit of "firing back" at what I perceived as an unfair attack. Such is the nature, I fear, of gun control "discussions" on this forum.
villager
(26,001 posts)....but even this allegedly "alarming" poll shows Cuomo at 60% approval (59% for the really technical among us).
NYC-area Dems aren't going to be voting against him for this anytime soon....
Meanwhile, glad to find some areas where we can agree and -- heaven forfend! -- discuss!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)At least not in the instance of Gov. Cuomo (and not, truly, across the board)... For one thing, the 1994 AWB happened just before the election. We've got a lot longer than that, and a good many voters will have very different matters on their "front burner." Not to dismiss gun control as a hot button issue for many - it is - but there won't be the immediacy.
shenmue
(38,501 posts)Put that idea back up your butt.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)See how that works?
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)My cousins work for the state and are union. Cuomo really worked w/the unions but also worked extra hard to balance the books. Unions got fair contracts and the taxpayers were happy. He blew it and pissed off every blue collar union member who was a veteran or outdoorsman. IIRC his father Mario also did the same thing years ago. New York is a strange state, there's rural upstate and NYC-Down State, two different worlds.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)He owns an AR15, and he is beside himself in anger with Cuomo over this. Cuomo turned my friend into a gun rights activist, he was not very politically active before, he is now....
And yes, he is a Democrat. But he will never vote for Cuomo again or any other "gun control" Democrat. He and his friends view that law as a betrayal. THEY, feel personally targeted.
But hey! More gun rights activists have been created!
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)nt
beevul
(12,194 posts)This is a blue collar construction guy, he runs sales, does some of the work, and runs the business as the owner - along with his son. I no longer work with him, but he was like a second father to me, and still is.
This fella is a STAUNCH Democrat. If you even mentioned reagan around him, he'd go on a ten minute rant about how bad reagan was for small business owners like him in the 80s. We used to do it deliberately when our breaks were just about over and we'd get another ten minutes lol...but anyway...He said he thought Obama had done and was doing a good job. Numerous times. This guy is a lifelong Democratic voter.
This fella is an avid outdoorsman, hunter, belongs to ducks unlimited, the nra, and so on. He voted for Obama in both elections. Has outfitter tents with wood stoves and the whole nine yards. I went hunting with him one year, though I did not hunt myself. I did enjoy walking quietly through the woods though, and chilling in camp reading books I had brought with me if/when I felt like relaxing.
I went to see him a few weeks ago, and he had two new gun safes. He spent 7 grand on guns and safes this year. Has alot of limited edition and collectors items. But he also has handguns, and some so called "assault weapons". His new deer gun is an ar-10 with very nice optic options, in fact.
And hes talking about how he'll be voting republican.
"They'll never vote for a Democrat anyway", is just willfull denial.
iiibbb
(1,448 posts)"That is not the case with the law that we passed," he said. "The more they understand the law, and the more they hear about the law, the better they are going to feel because it has nothing to do with the legitimate ownership of a gun.
Which is why they chose 7 round limits on magazines, which is not in spec with any other state or federal law?