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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 08:39 AM Jan 2012

Rich Lowry's "Gun Controller" Straw Man

Last week, teenage mother Sarah McKinley used a shotgun to shoot and kill a home intruder in defense of her infant son. The case made national news after the media obtained the audio of her call to 911, in which she asked the operator for permission to fire.

It didn't take long for the National Rifle Association supporters in the right-wing media to deploy her harrowing experience as a cudgel against their political foes. Here's National Review editor Rich Lowry in his latest column:

Instances of self-defense are the anecdotes that gun controllers never want to hear. The NRA keeps a running list of them on its website: attempted armed robberies, home invasions, and other attacks rebuffed every month by the would-be victims. Surely, Sarah McKinley's assailants thought the young, slender, widowed mother was an easy mark. Her shotgun meant they were wrong. Who would have it any other way? Otherwise, the intruder has the knife and she has nothing except a cellphone and the wan hope that someone armed with a gun makes it to her in time.

Lowry's question is revealing, largely because he doesn't bother to attempt to name any of the "gun controllers" who wouldn't want McKinley to be able to defend herself.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201201090003

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Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
2. Read the discussion at the bottom of the article.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:25 AM
Jan 2012

Seems the article falls apart fast. Those supporting the article seem to run on emotion rather than defent their position with facts and logic. The article has an excessive amount to blanket statements without references.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
3. I was more amazed at the number of
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:46 AM
Jan 2012

posters that don't seem to know much about current federal laws.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. "Facts and Logic?" -- what is logical about having to strap a gun on before walking down street?
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jan 2012

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
10. Facts and Logic (corrected)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jan 2012

Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:26 AM - Edit history (1)

Fact... 18% of violent crime occurs inside the home.
Logic would dictate that one stands a greater chance of being a victim walking down the street than in their own home.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. I don't know if that statistic is correct or not...
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jan 2012

But if 18% of violent crime occurs outside the home, that seems to imply that most violent crime (i.e. 82%) occurs inside the home. Am I missing something?

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
12. Thanks I messed that post up.
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:30 AM
Jan 2012

I meant that only 18% of violent crime occurs inside the home. 82% of violent crime occurs out in public.

Good catch. Sorry for the confusion.

 

liberal_biker

(192 posts)
13. Who said anything about having to?
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jan 2012

I do so because I choose to, not because I am under any obligation to do so. I'm just as free to leave it at home.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
4. All you have to do is read some posts here.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 10:50 AM
Jan 2012
Lowry's question is revealing, largely because he doesn't bother to attempt to name any of the "gun controllers" who wouldn't want McKinley to be able to defend herself.

Really? Just spend some time around here. You'll find plenty of people who think that you should just use some Judo on your attacker. Or just give them what they want, especially if it is "only property".

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Don't forget your bottle of bleach and water solution!
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jan 2012

That'll definitely stop a pack of pissed off pit bulls.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
5. More mediamatters / joyce funding wasted..
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jan 2012

That $400,000 should buy Joyce a few more articles.

All Lowry would have had to do is quote someone like the Chicago councilman who said something like, "We're going to make it as hard as the court will allow to own a firearm in Chicago."

 

TPaine7

(4,286 posts)
7. How about the government of D.C., supported by the Brady Campaign?
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jan 2012

As I explain in detail here?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x402356#402844

Those are the gun controllers "who wouldn't want McKinley to be able to defend herself."

SteveW

(754 posts)
14. Years and years of gun-controller/prohibitionist police blotter stuff and you're upset?
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jan 2012

My goodness, Secular! Check out the archives and find the wads and wads of gun-controller/prohibitionist postings showing "gun crimes" without any narrative or explanation, just an association of all the mayhem with pro-2A positions.

Now you complain when it doesn't go your way? You are so bald about this, you know that.

You can read all you want about Lowry (I don't check him out), but since you brought him up, he is right about this:

"Instances of self-defense are the anecdotes that gun controllers never want to hear."

Ain't it the case, Secular, ain't it the case? BTW, where are gun-controller/prohibitionists getting their "...running list of gun crimes?"

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