Woman accidentally shoots herself at Detroit's MotorCity casino

[SecularMotion]

Detroit — Police say a 29-year-old woman accidentally shot herself in the leg inside the MotorCity Casino-Hotel early Tuesday morning, causing quite a commotion among gamblers.

The woman, a concealed pistol license owner, apparently had the gun in her purse and it discharged, sending a bullet into her right thigh, according to police.

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It is unclear whether charges will be pressed against the woman, police say.

"Although she has a CPL (concealed pistol license) to carry it, it is against the law to enter a casino with any firearm. As a result, the police are investigating this matter and we are cooperating fully," said MotorCity spokeswoman Jacci Woods

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130219/METRO01/302190398#ixzz2M1y0TEV5

[ileus]

1. another slab sided auto?

I know pistols with a manual safety are looked down upon but I really think with training they can provide the same level of safety as a striker fired pistol without a safety.

I carry a LCP most of the time, it's long trigger pull pretty much eliminates AD/ND's.

My wife carries a 642 it has one great little trigger but you won't pull it accidently that's for sure.


Look into a LC9, Sig938 or M&P shield if you're interested in a pocket sized 9mm with a manual safety.


There's no reason to go around unsafe in this day and age.

[mikeysnot]

2. Explain to me how

carrying a gun in your purse will make you "safer" or defend against a mugger who grabs your purse.

Or someone getting the jump on you from behind, like they are going to wait for you rummage around to pull a gun out of your purse.

[shraby]

4. That's it in a nutshell. Women who have the gun in the purse are as good as unprotected to

any attacker. Unless that gun is in her hand with the safety off, she'll be knocked out before she can get it and use it.
Then the attacker has a gun to kill her with if it's found and is used against her.

[Cork]

5. Not really.

There are companies that make purses that are designed for concealed carry, they usually have a side pocket that a small compact firearm will fit into and can be retrieved very quickly.

I don't know what kind of purse she had, would like to know.

These are manufactured just for this purpose.

[mikeysnot]

6. Yeah, sure.

Wait dude while I get my gun out of my purse... especially the one with the zipper.

[Cork]

7. My wife can have hers out in less than a second with the purse she carrys.

Most thugs are not expecting a woman to be armed, they think of them as easy pickings which will give the woman the advantage of surprise.
You can accept it or not, that's just the way it is.
Of course it won't always work out in favor of the victim, but it gives the woman a distinct advantage.

[mikeysnot]

8. Take the bullets out and try this on your wife in real life.

Knowing you need to take it out and having to is a different situation, but then again, you can go Hollywood all you want. If it makes you feel better.

[Cork]

10. It already happened to my wife.

Thug approached her with a gun, she pulled hers and the thug ran away.
Whether you want to believe it or not doesn't matter, the cops took a report, arrested the guy for the same thing a few days later, wife identified him as the one who attempted to rob her, she testified and thug went to prison for attempted armed robbery and armed robbery.

Nothing Hollywood about it.
It does make me feel better that she was able to defend herself.
And there's no need to get snotty about it.

[mikeysnot]

15. Link please.

[mikeysnot]

24. So in other words you made it up.

Typical.

When you fill out a report with the police, they give you a copy.

You could easily scan it in redact the personal information and post it here.

You think if the story was true your wife would be a poster child for the NRA.

There would also be a police blotter report online.

But you made it up.

Reality catch it.

[mikeysnot]

30. Doubling down on BS.

you bore me. Do you also believe in unicorns and flying horses?

[mikeysnot]

38. 44 posts in three days and gone.

You are going to have to do better with your made up stories.

Buh-bye.

[oneshooter]

17. My Loving Wife has learned to just point and shoot through the purse.

On those times that she does not have it on her side(pretty rare). At 14ft she can center punch a full size target with frightening regularity.

Hers is a Colt LW Commander in 45cal. Carried condition 1.

[mikeysnot]

19. and then they guy comes up behind her

and now he has her gun. More gun save lives fantasies.

Keep shooting shooter....

[oneshooter]

20. If the"guy" can't see the weapon, then how can he

possible know to grab it. Loving wife also uses a retention holster. If you don't know how to work it, it will not release the firearm.

Any other dreams?

[mikeysnot]

21. No dreams on my end

Looks like your still in yours though.... keep dreaming there "shooter". I bet you wake up in a puddle.

[oneshooter]

22. Do you have any prove that this has ever happened?

[mikeysnot]

25. Here is a soundtrack for your dream.

[oneshooter]

34. Just as I thought, another gun grabber special.

If it happens as often as you seem to believe then there should be no problem for you to offer proof of it. Instead you show a music video.

I guess you gave up.

[mikeysnot]

37. fail

epic fail.

[oneshooter]

42. I am glad to see you admit that.

[mikeysnot]

44. what are you eight.

I love posters that claim victory and then project onto others their own failings.

be gone peasant, you bore me...

[apocalypsehow]

47. And yet another one of our "pro gun progressives"* is shown the door...

Serious question: don't those of you who have managed to fly just low enough below the PPR radar ever just get embarrassed? Or anything like that?

To ask the question, methinks, is to answer it....


*( )

[av8r1998]

39. Safeties

I just dislike the ergonomics of any thumb safety that isn't on a 1911.

I'm sure I could train on it, but the smaller ones (like the SR9) are just too small to reliably defeat, the ones up on the slide require too much additional stuff to do (will explain later), and in the case of a gun tike a Beretta 92, what's the point of having the safety on when you have a 10 lb DA pull. (Remember - the safety is also the Decocker)
As for the V1 HK USP, the thumb safety doesn't decock the hammer, so you can carry cocked and locked, but if you press too hard when defeating the safety during the drawstroke, you'll decock the hammer.

I do have an LCP, but I just hate the gun. Small, lousy sights, and the trigger pull.... YUCK!!!!

When I need to be more concealed, it's a G26 with a "-" trigger.
When I don't it's a G19 (also with a "-" trigger)
I compete with a G17 ... (yep - you guessed it - "-" trigger)

If they pass a mag ban, probably going to transition to a 1911 .45ACP or 10mm.

[SunSeeker]

3. The brilliant "I Just Fucking Shot Myself" video comes to mind...

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[rdharma]

16. Is there a dating service for these morons?!!!

She'd be a perfect match for "Stripe"......errrr "Tex"!

[safeinOhio]

9. 200 armed guards at any time in the casino

Last place you would need a firearm.

[gejohnston]

12. a bright robber would know

that the house almost always wins, so you wouldn't need the gun going out the door either.

[av8r1998]

28. Correct, but...

Remember, a person must get to and from these "safe" places.
As an example, you are going to a sporting event. Very safe location, with security, metal detectors, police presence. Add to that the fact that a stadium is probably the most indefensible place in the world if you needed to use a firearm.

The problem is the neighborhood OUTSIDE of the stadium is high-crime, so locking a pistol in the car would be stupid, and you are disarmed walking through this high crime area.
So although you may not "need" a gun in the place you're going, getting there is a different matter.

In CT, casino's are tribal lands, and posession of a firearm is prohibited.
They allow you to check your firearm with security. I don't know if this option was available in this case.

[jimmy the one]

11. It's really not about 'you'

ileus: I carry a LCP most of the time, it's long trigger pull pretty much eliminates AD/ND's.
My wife carries a 642 it has one great little trigger but you won't pull it accidently that's for sure.

Who really cares, ileus? you need to understand, it's not about 'you';
.. it's about whether carrying a concealed firearm is more of a boon than a hazard, & whether states can disallow carrying concealed or not, the issue in the broad sense, not individual (erk!). People buy what they can afford & sometimes it's a less securable gun.

I wonder if the lady thinks her firearm purchase such a good buy now? I wonder if she's thanking the nra for their advice about fending off hell bent thugs? I wonder if she's more worried about losing her leg?
I bet she says goodbye to her erstwhile 'good buy'.

Look into a LC9, Sig938 or M&P shield if you're interested in a pocket sized 9mm with a manual safety.

... after reading about the lady shooting herself, this comes out a bit weird. I doubt you've recruited any new gun molls. Try the blunted home invasion threads.

There's no reason to go around unsafe in this day and age.

Exactly. So why carry a gun around with you?

[av8r1998]

31. This is the problem

Exactly. So why carry a gun around with you?

Gun != unsafe
Gun without proper holster and retention device = unsafe
Untrained and ill equipped user = unsafe

(the != means "Not Equals" for the non computer programmers out there)

[oldhippie]

13. So how does this compute?

"Although she has a CPL (concealed pistol license) to carry it, it is against the law to enter a casino with any firearm."

OK, so how does this follow?

"It is unclear whether charges will be pressed against the woman, police say. "

Why would charges not be filed?

[safeinOhio]

14. It's Michigan,

would depend on who she knows.

[AtheistCrusader]

48. The only charges would be trespassing, and that would have to be in the case that the casino

wanted to press charges. At least, that's how it would go down in my state.

[nonoyes]

18. Of course, she had not hand ANY alcohol to drink, RIGHT?

I'm assuming someone in a Casino at 1:45 AM is stone cold sober. RIGHT?

[Ghost in the Machine]

40. Yeah, I have been in a casino at that time many a night, and been "stone cold sober"...

Is it your assertion that everyone who gambles also drinks? Everyone who drinks, gambles? Everyone who drinks or gambles carries a gun? Everyone who owns a gun carries it? Everyone who carries also drinks and/or gambles?

I'm assuming you're about 12, and haven't fully developed your logic and reasoning skills yet. RIGHT?

[nonoyes]

41. Thanks for the insult. I have been to casino's and I know something

about both the gambling and drinking addictions, both from a personal and professional level.

I have been to casino's after one in the morning, and have seen people high on both gambling or drinking and both.

Both addictions are destructive. Coming to grips with that reality is the first step in becoming more mature.

Oh, and YES, most people who go to casinos do one or the other or both at the same time, gamble and drink.

Now lecture me on how one addiction is just fine, and another is just fine, and that carrying guns illegally in a casino is perfectly excusable and not an error in judgement.

Defending the indefensible is the true mark of a very illogical mind.

[Ghost in the Machine]

43. Please point out where, exactly, that I said that....

"carrying guns illegally in a casino is perfectly excusable and not an error in judgement".

Right now would be a good time to do so. I'll bet you an anonymous star to someone else that you can't.

I know all about addictions, too. I had a 13 year love affair with cocaine, that was at $1000/day when I quit. I was an alcoholic for 20 years, and also had a gambling problem. I've been cocaine free since '92, alcohol free since '96 and quit gambling in 2007, (though I do still buy the occasional lottery ticket here and there, but nothing like the $200-$300/day I used to spend on video poker machines).

Putting words in my mouth that I didn't say is the true mark of someone incapable of honest debate/discussion...

[nonoyes]

45. NO, you never said that, but why excuse this person for being

such an idiot? Bias about rights to carry guns, even for these idiots?

[Ghost in the Machine]

46. What you are failing to realize, or comprehend, is that this is about YOU & YOUR assertion that..

nonoyes (30 posts)
18. Of course, she had not hand ANY alcohol to drink, RIGHT?

I'm assuming someone in a Casino at 1:45 AM is stone cold sober. RIGHT?

I showed YOU the fallacy of YOUR comment, pure and simple. It had NOTHING to do with HER or her stupidity, ineptness, disregard for laws or anything else.

Whether it was arrogance, stupidity, or just plain forgetfulness (she forgot it was in her purse), she broke the law and endangered a lot of people. It doesn't say *what* made the gun discharge. Was she rummaging through her purse, digging for more money? Did she drop it? In any case, the bullet struck *her*, but could have very easily struck one or more innocent bystanders, had the gun been positioned differently in her purse when it discharged.

Like some other posters here, I'm in agreement wondering about this:

It is unclear whether charges will be pressed against the woman, police say.

"Although she has a CPL (concealed pistol license) to carry it, it is against the law to enter a casino with any firearm. As a result, the police are investigating this matter and we are cooperating fully," said MotorCity spokeswoman Jacci Woods

Personally, I think she should be charged with one count of reckless endagerment for every patron who was in the casino at the time.... and in case you're wondering, YES, I am a gun owner.

Now, going back to the "all people who gamble don't drink, all people who drink on't gamble".. etc. ... Jim Morrison said it the best: "People Are Strange".., I knew a guy in Florida who would smoke pot and smoke crack all day & night long, but would not touch a cigarette because "those things will kill you"!

I hope this has ended your confusion and helped clear things up for you.....

Peace,

Ghost

[av8r1998]

27. 2 words

...."Pocket Holster"....
(or the handbag equivalent)
NOTHING should be able to activate the trigger.

Just ask Plaxico Burress....

[ManiacJoe]

35. Gotta love the Plaxico safety video!

[av8r1998]

36. Now THAT is FUNNY!

[samsingh]

29. more guns in her purse would have been the answer - all loaded of course.