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Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:36 PM

 

Court upholds Biglerville business owner's federal firearms license revocation

The U.S. Middle District Court has upheld the revocation of a Biglerville business owner’s federal firearms license for failing to record the sale of thousands of firearms, a process that law enforcement officials rely on to apprehend criminals who use firearms to commit crimes, and to ensure firearms are not being sold to those unauthorized to possess them.

Peter J. Smith, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Pennsylvania and Donald Robinson, Acting Special Agent in Charge, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Philadelphia Field Division jointly announced Friday that U.S. Middle District Court Judge John E. Jones III, has adopted the revocation of the Federal Firearms License (FFL) of Scott W. Taylor of Taylor’s Trading Post in Biglerville.

Compliance inspection

In early 2010, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) conducted a compliance inspection of Taylor’s business, which was operated out of his Adams County home. ATF discovered that over a three-year period of time, Taylor had committed more than 10,000 violations of the Gun Control Act, which requires firearm dealers to keep detailed and timely records of the purchase and sale of firearms.

Despite buying and selling thousands of guns over that three-year period, Taylor failed to record the purchase of 5,715 firearms, the sale of 2,856 firearms, and keep records of the disposition of 1,618 additional firearms. About 160 of the firearms remain unaccounted for. Taylor also admitted to possessing a firearm with an obliterated serial number, which he knew was illegal and failing to report it to law enforcement.

http://www.therecordherald.com/article/20130302/NEWS/130309969

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Reply Court upholds Biglerville business owner's federal firearms license revocation (Original post)
SecularMotion Mar 2013 OP
villager Mar 2013 #1
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #3
villager Mar 2013 #4
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #6
villager Mar 2013 #7
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #8
villager Mar 2013 #9
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #11
villager Mar 2013 #12
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #14
villager Mar 2013 #15
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #16
villager Mar 2013 #19
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #20
villager Mar 2013 #21
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #23
villager Mar 2013 #27
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #29
villager Mar 2013 #30
Straw Man Mar 2013 #24
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #28
Straw Man Mar 2013 #10
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #13
Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #25
gejohnston Mar 2013 #2
ManiacJoe Mar 2013 #5
mwrguy Mar 2013 #17
jimmy the one Mar 2013 #18
Straw Man Mar 2013 #22
Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #26

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:38 PM

1. And of course the gun nut whiners who say "Why can't they enforce *existing* laws!?"

 

...will do all they can to overturn this.

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:11 PM

3. Hmm, I wonder which would reflect you in a worse light:

 

That you actually believe that- or that you don't?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:45 PM

4. you mean, as bad a light as that which bathes your constant apologias here?

 

That would be hard to top.

Starting with your delusions that some of your favorite gun proliferation groups won't be working hard to overturn this common-sense decision.

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Response to villager (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:59 AM

6. Are you in the habit of inventing things out of thin air?

 

I have no problems whatsover with the Feds dropping the hammer on Taylor, and I doubt even the much-loathed NRA would have any problems with this prosecution. Of course, I may be wrong in this assumption- no doubt you have some evidence to the contrary and you'll be posting it here Real Soon Now...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:13 PM

7. In the present climate, your pals in the NRA *may* keep a little mum on this...

 

...but we shall see.

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Response to villager (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:14 PM

8. But those who are aware of The Protocols of The Elders of The NRA know better, eh?

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:17 PM

9. Ah, so you do dip into the predictable "paranoid" side of gun worship, eh?

 

Kind of a rhetorical observation, really.

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Response to villager (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:29 PM

11. I dig out "TPoTEoTNRA" once in a while to troll those who make baseless claims about conspiricies.

 

Just like the fundie idjits that believe in vast networks of Satanic cults, it would seem that there are
a few of you lot who claim to "know" what the NRA, et al., are "really" up to.

It's a pity, really- seeing a long-time DUer venture into CT land...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:32 PM

12. What's really hilarious is you are neither "Friendly" nor "Iconoclastic"

 

Your posts are always snarky, and you're a by-the-book gun lemming.

I guess the username was just an exercise in irony.

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Response to villager (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:39 PM

14. I'll just have to go through life knowing you have a low opinion of me.

 

Then again, excessive attention to ones' popularity amongst those they do not know usually abates
in adolescence...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:39 PM

15. ...as your replies keep proving, over and over....

 

Ah well.

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Response to villager (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:42 PM

16. Don't you have some evidence to be looking for?

 

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Response to villager (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:01 PM

20. Good...except that has fuck-all to do with failure to keep required records, as in the OP.

 

Somehow, you've interpreted a article about the NRA opposing registration to mean
that they want to do away with the Form 4473 and the Gun Control Act of 1968.

2/10. At least you found an article about the NRA- keep trying

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Response to villager (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:09 PM

23. 1/10. A step backwards, that one even has secondhand citations.

 

"Some guy wrote a book claiming the NRA tried to undermine the 1968 GCA"- and they don't excerpt
any of it? Lame.

Glad I could be of help honing your research skills...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:44 PM

27. Yes, I will always take your word over an NY Times piece on the honorable intentions of the NRA.

 

How about "Nasty Handpuppet" as a more accurate DU handle?

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Response to villager (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:48 PM

29. My, how quickly you've forgotten: "And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not...

 

...a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses!"

Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
-*The NRA* for becoming (as I said before) a hypocritical right-wing political movement with a bitchin' gun club...

-*You* for trying to spread faith-promoting rumor and slandering a fellow DUer when called on it. You don't like the NRA? Fine- but hate them for real reasons instead of some half baked CT.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=53805

Remember that from the last time we discussed your Manichaean view of gun politics?

Defending a second-hand quote from Dennis Hennigan? Really?
He's about as nonpartisan and unbiased as Wayne Lapierre.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 05:59 PM

30. Manichean? Again with the hilarity, NH. Though I guess that's because you only have a singular,

 

...obsessive view of the issue, replete with rote NRA apologetics, ignoring of all blood on the floor, etc.

Points, I guess, for the fancy word-use however. Still, lipstick on a pig, and such....

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Response to villager (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:15 PM

24. Hmm...

That article blames the NRA for lobbying against increasing the frequency of ATF inspection visits to more than one a year. Yet your publicintegrity.org article says that some dealers go eight years without an inspection.

Sounds more like insufficient enforcement to me.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:35 PM

28. Hey! Watch it with those inconvenient facts, pal.

 

They interfere with Revealed Truth...

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Response to villager (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:29 PM

10. Count me as ...

... another gun-rights advocate who supports this revocation. Shall we start keeping a scorecard?

Be sure to post as soon as the NRA challenges it, okay?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:34 PM

13. Amazing the number of DUers that simultaneously claim to "know" what the NRA...

 

...is secretly doing while failing to present any evidence whatsoever of these actions...

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Response to villager (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:34 PM

25. Looks like they did enforce existing laws. Finally. nt

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:03 PM

2. each violation, regardless of how trivial

can get one up to ten years.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:29 AM

5. That is one down...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:43 PM

17. This guy needs to be in prison.

10,000 violations?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:47 PM

18. Biglerville FFL revocation

icon to villager: Are you in the habit of inventing things out of thin air? I have no problems whatsover with the Feds dropping the hammer on Taylor, and I doubt even the much-loathed NRA would have any problems with this prosecution. Of course, I may be wrong in this assumption- no doubt you have some evidence to the contrary and you'll be posting it here Real Soon Now..

Well not concrete evidence, but how about some 'leaning insight'?

federal agents who visited Scott Taylor’s rural Pennsylvania gun shop in early Jan 2010 — to conduct the store’s first inspection in more than three decades — found thousands of violations of firearm sales laws. Taylor couldn’t properly account for more than 3,000 guns he had bought or sold during the previous three years .. These and other violations led ATF to revoke his license to sell guns in Nov 2011. But that wasn’t the end of the story.
Taylor blamed the infractions on his poor health and a computer crash that wiped out his business records. The gun shop, located in the basement of his Biglerville, Pa., home, remains open 14 months later while Taylor appeals the ATF action in federal court. His lawyer, said the violations have been corrected and “no rational person would expect them to reoccur in the future.”


Oh man, the poor guy has SUFFERED ENOUGH, how can batfe be so CRUEL as to prosecute this to the fullest? Why do they persecute such former law abiding citizens so?

Christopher Conte, NRA’s legislative counsel, in a May 2012, letter to ATF said that the current system for revoking the licenses of dealers is “directly contrary to what Congress intended for these hearings.”
In the past, the NRA has unsuccessfully supported congressional bills that would rewrite the licensing law so that ATF could levy fines and other penalties short of revocation. The NRA argues that changes in the law are necessary to prevent what it says are “all-too-common situations” in which ATF has revoked a dealer’s license for “insignificant technical violations.”

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/02/01/12117/atfs-struggle-close-down-firearms-dealers

So after reviewing all that I wrote above, I'm giving 5 to 1 odds the nra will oppose the revocation of this guy's ffl license (oh my, redundancy, 'license').

Game, Set, but not yet Match, to Villager.

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:06 PM

22. Sure.

So after reviewing all that I wrote above, I'm giving 5 to 1 odds the nra will oppose the revocation of this guy's ffl license (oh my, redundancy, 'license').

You be sure to let us all know when that happens, OK?

In the past, the NRA has unsuccessfully supported congressional bills that would rewrite the licensing law so that ATF could levy fines and other penalties short of revocation.

The operative modifier is "in the past." They were not arguing this case. But you be sure to let us know if and when they do.

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:43 PM

26. After reviewing the above, sounds like the law is not being enforced much. nt

 

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