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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 06:50 AM

 

With gun nuts hoarding bullets, will cops be disarmed?

Dayne Pryor is the chief of police in Rollingwood, Texas, a small suburb of Austin. “I’ve been in law enforcement for 31 years and I’ve been a chief for eight years,” he sighs. “And it’s just one of those things that I never thought I’d have a problem with, especially being in Texas.”

Pryor’s problem, he explains to Salon, is that he’s having trouble finding ammunition and firearms for his officers, thanks to a national shortage. The cause? A run on supply from gun lovers afraid that Congress or state legislatures will impose new gun control laws in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting.

“Everyone is thinking, they’re going to stop manufacturing, or they’re going to be taxing and all this, so it’s just this mentality of, let’s all buy up everything now just in case. And it hurts us,” Pryor said. “This is ridiculous. This shouldn’t be happening to law enforcement.”

But he’s hardly alone. Rommel Dionisio, a New York-based firearms industry analyst at Wedbush Inc., confirms the trend is a national phenomenon. “Most certainly, ammunition is in very tight supply in addition to firearms,” thanks to “consumer fears of possible bans,” he told Salon in an email.

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/27/cops_are_running_out_of_bullets_thank_the_nra/

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SecularMotion Mar 2013 OP
blueknight Mar 2013 #1
FBaggins Mar 2013 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #5
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #13
holdencaufield Mar 2013 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #14
ileus Mar 2013 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #6
melm00se Mar 2013 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #16
Clames Mar 2013 #7
spin Mar 2013 #10
JohnnyBoots Mar 2013 #8
Clames Mar 2013 #11
Skip Intro Mar 2013 #17
sylvi Mar 2013 #12
LAGC Mar 2013 #18

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 07:02 AM

1. i dont understand that

from what i heard, the law enforcement agencies get first dibs on ammo before it ever reaches the store shelves

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Response to blueknight (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 07:29 AM

2. I thought so too. But it's likely simple economics.

Unless there's a contractual obligation, the manufacturers will shift supply to places where demand means higher prices.

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Response to blueknight (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:58 AM

5. Not true

They compete in the market with everyone else for it.

Feds have some special laws for strategically required procurements, but using it is damn near impossible these days for over the counter stuff.

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Response to blueknight (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 11:54 AM

9. I think thats true for large departments

 

NYPD is something like 20K policemen. The local department with 5-6 cops shops at the local gun store. The departments need to form a coop so they get a volume order in.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:03 PM

13. I heard it was closer to 30k

After all the mayor needs the "sixth bigest army in the world"!

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 07:49 AM

3. From what I know ...

 

... most metropolitan PD's only require their officers to train with firearms once a quarter -- and that 50 rounds is the most they are required to fire at that time -- that makes 200 rounds a year.

On the other hand -- I shoot every Sunday -- sometimes straight range, sometimes single-action competition, and sometimes hunting -- and it's not uncommon for me to shoot more than 50 rounds a week -- that makes at least 2,600 rounds a year or more than 10 times what a typical LEO is required to shoot (if I were to add up receipts it would probably be more).

So, it makes sense that civilians, like myself, buy in bulk. It's not hoarding, it's simple economics. Personally, I think that any LEO, who carries a firearm and is required to use it should train at least as often as I.

And it's not the NRA who is spreading the message of potential bans -- it's Mayor Bloomberg, Diane Feinstein and many of our own Democratic representatives.

I guarantee that if the President was speaking out against condoms and there were multiple bills in legislature seeking to ban or limit the purchase of condoms, you see them disappear off the shelves just like guns and gun-related accessories -- simple economics.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:33 PM

14. When I was sixteen...

...I shot once a week (.22 target rifle practice and competition). When I bought ammo I generally got about 1,500 rounds at a time. That would be generally every 5 - 6 weeks. In college the ROTC sponsored the team and supplied ammo. Usually about 7,000 rounds a month.

At 17 I learned to reload. My org had Garands and I helped reloaded about 1,200 rounds. We also bought another few hundred. About 70 rounds including practice for about 17 - 18 people adds up fast.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:46 AM

4. Government orders are filled first....question should be will there be enough for civilians?

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Response to ileus (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:59 AM

6. That is a courtesy, not a requirement

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:46 AM

15. if the feds slap

a DPAS rating on their order, they go to the front of the line.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 11:06 AM

16. I mentioned that in #5

However, if they are not feds, they have to compete with the rest of us from a legal standpoint.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:52 AM

7. Anti-gun nuts are the ones to blame.

 

Their shrill cries involving the word "ban" have this effect every time.

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Response to Clames (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:10 PM

10. Yup. History repeats itself and some never learn. (n/t)

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 10:53 AM

8. Pretty sure that civilian ammo stores

 

don't equal the BILLIONS of rounds being acquired by DHS and other agencies. This is anti gun propaganda by Salon.

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Response to JohnnyBoots (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 06:19 PM

11. You'll have to understand that with that particular poster....

 

...you aren't to expect much discussion. Seldom even sticks around to defend any Google dump posted. Facts are inconvenient for that one...

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Response to JohnnyBoots (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:22 PM

17. +100. nt

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:50 PM

12. Maybe they can go over to

 

Maybe they can go over to Janet Napolitano's house and borrow a cup o' bullets to tide them over.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 05:53 PM

18. God willing.

Haven't you seen how many rounds cops waste whenever they attempt to gun down someone? It's spray-and-pray, I tell ya! Dozens of shots fired, lucky if even one or two hits.

Maybe this will teach them to conserve ammo and aim before they fire. That way no bystanders are hit.

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