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Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:22 AM

 

Empire State gun owners bracing for Cuomo’s confiscation scheme

New Yorkers gauge registration and confiscation of firearms in the aftermath of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s landmark gun control law, the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013.

“The next relevant deadline is April 16, 2014 the date the people are supposed to have their long arms registered,” said Assemblyman William R. Nojay (R. – Pittsford).

The registration system is in place and firearm owners can register today, he said.

Low compliance rates will put the governor in an interesting position especially in an election year, said Nojay. “I think registration rates are going to be less than 10 percent.”

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/12/08/empire-state-gun-owners-bracing-for-cuomos-confiscation-scheme/

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Reply Empire State gun owners bracing for Cuomo’s confiscation scheme (Original post)
SecularMotion Jan 2014 OP
bowens43 Jan 2014 #1
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #2
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #8
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #22
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #3
sarisataka Jan 2014 #16
Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #26
Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #36
Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #38
Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #29
Dwayne Hicks Jan 2014 #39
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #4
SecularMotion Jan 2014 #5
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #7
SecularMotion Jan 2014 #9
oneshooter Jan 2014 #10
sarisataka Jan 2014 #17
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #12
SecularMotion Jan 2014 #14
oldhippie Jan 2014 #20
SecularMotion Jan 2014 #21
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #24
Straw Man Jan 2014 #30
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #25
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #31
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #32
AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #35
orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #23
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #33
ileus Jan 2014 #6
RedstDem Jan 2014 #11
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #13
sir pball Jan 2014 #15
gejohnston Jan 2014 #18
sir pball Jan 2014 #19
Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #37
CFLDem Jan 2014 #27
Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #28
Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #34

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:32 AM

1. Lets wish the Governor luck, it's a good start but doesn't go anywhere near far enough.

 

no one has a valid reason or a right to own a firearm, unless of course you are a member of a well regulated militia......

freaking gun nuts

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:40 AM

2. WOW ! I've been banned from this Forum for less, Bold & Wrong

 

EVERYONE has a right to have a gun, with many exceptions . Are all people Appalled at the NSA situation ALL Conspiracy nuts ?

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:06 AM

8. banned and posting?

 

are you talking about this group?

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:35 PM

22. Yes, for 48Hrs and this is the first time since .

 

Check it out , and remember all people that don't own guns, aren't against gun owners, just NUTS .

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:40 AM

3. Not according to the constitution and USSC rulings

 

but who worries about that little detail.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:29 PM

16. Being a member of a well regulated militia...

i.e. the retired reserve component of he armed forces, subject to mandatory recall to service, may I assume you have no issue with my ownership of firearms and use thereof to keep my skills useful?

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:58 PM

26. Wrong on all levels.

 

Wrong legally. Wrong historically. Wrong linguistically.

Nice job...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #26)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:19 AM

36. Da trifecta.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 09:53 AM

38. Ya gotta admit though,

 

him and another blocked member are the gift that keeps on giving to the 2A, pro-firearms rights movement.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:53 AM

29. I am all for stricter regulations but this is just nuts.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 12, 2014, 04:30 PM

39. Wrong

 

The SCOTUS has affirmed that right with reasonable regulations. We need to get off this whole lets ban guns idea. Talk of confiscation only hurts the Democrats more and more. Besides its never going to happen.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:41 AM

4. do you ever have any comments?

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:53 AM

5. You again?

 

You had one of my posts hidden in another thread by alerting on phony rules. Your behavior is the definition of stalking.

Stalk - To follow or observe (a person) persistently, especially out of obsession or derangement.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:04 AM

7. When was this since I have not alerted

 

since Skinner allowed gun topics in GD?

Show me the proof please or take that back.

What are "phoney' rules?


I guess you have no comments or are scared to post any

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:16 AM

9. Your need to bait and attack anyone who disagrees with you

 

only shows the weakness of your position.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:39 AM

10. The question remains unanswered.

Do you have anything, agreement or dissent, to say about the post?

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:32 PM

17. While I have no problem discussing this topic here,

I would think it would also be a matter for the activism group members to discuss. If it is a good idea one would think they would wish to brainstorm how it could be made law in other states as well

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:01 AM

12. YOU accused me of getting a post of yours hidden

 

Post a link so I can see what you are talking about

No link, it must not have happened and you are just making stuff up and making yourself look bad.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:40 AM

14. You're right. You had nothing to do with the hidden post.

 

I had you mixed up with another gun lobbyist.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:05 PM

20. Not even an, "I'm sorry"?

 

Or apology? OK.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:40 PM

21. I'm sorry I mixed up Duckhunter935 with another gun lobbyist

 

Is that better?

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:40 PM

24. +1000 !!!!

 

Good one !!!!

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:11 AM

30. Yes.

Because it's just so classy to end an apology with an insult.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:34 PM

25. Thats OK, we all make mistakes

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 06:03 AM

31. You wanted to question me when I said I was Banned...

 

which is part of Hiding a post, Apology ? NO . Like I said, nothing against Gun Owners, just the NU Lobbyists .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 08:37 AM

32. Just curious

 

I am blocked in the other group after 3 posts, no warning and am not allowed to ever post there again. Thanks for the answer, sorry if I was misunderstood in my post. I thought I was clear but maybe not.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 02:42 PM

35. IIRC, a hidden post just stops you from posting in that thread.

Unless you get five hides total.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 04:39 PM

23. I know it's cold outside, but your too horny for a flame

 

grow up .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 08:38 AM

33. why I was right

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:56 AM

6. Now isn't the time to back up on basic human rights.

and as a party we shouldn't have anything to do with BS like this.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:49 AM

11. wish it was a less than 1 percent compliance rate

 

that shit is fascist

...where are the pro bill of rights democrats?
this bs will drag the whole brand down!
hard to believe a smart person could go so wrong, no common sense i guess.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 08:03 AM

13. I would have a very hard time complying

 

California used the same thing to actually confiscate weapons.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:15 PM

15. Illustrative example of the exercise in futility that is ex post facto registration

While I'm not particularly anti-registration in theory, I pragmatically dismiss it without prejudice because it's currently an utterly unattainable goal for the pro-control side that makes a great whisk to froth up the pro-guns side, especially with the vocal minority of control advocates who do in fact openly admit that registration is a path to confiscation. Whether or not that is the actual endgame is irrelevant, but it's a surefire way to mobilize the NRA crowd like almost nothing else.

So, let's put that in the box labeled "Do Not Open Until XMas" and move along with more immediate and possibly effective measures like mandatory FFL transfers, universal FOID cards (with a CCW carrot), magazine limits, &c. All of which I wholeheartedly support...funny that, I'm really only opposed to registration and an AWB, both on practical grounds that, but that makes me the unvarnished 100% no-compromise ENEMY. And y'all wonder why a lot of the moderates in this debate just sit on our hands..

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Response to sir pball (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:46 PM

18. using the Czech Republic as a model?

there your FOID is also your CCW. If you have a FOID, or what the Canadians call a PAL, why would you need mandatory FFL transfers? I think if you get caught with gun and no FOID, the cops can trace the gun to the last 4473 and he or she can explain, or show a bill of sale to someone else, or police report of stolen property.

The 1968 GCA repealed and replaced the 1938 FFA. I would do the same with both NFA and GCA and replace it with something that is coherent and logical. One can take the best of specific provisions from different places and make something that actually makes sense.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 02:00 PM

19. I like FFLs because I like end-to-end traceability.

Your situation can happen today, a felon is caught with a gun - trace to the last 4473 and yes there's some 'splainin to do...but more often than not the trail's cold. Especially without any requirement for theft reporting. It's unintrusive, couldn't really be used as a priori registration, and leaves the last legal owner holding a nasty bag if the gun's been up to no good and hasn't been reported stolen. I should probably mention that I do favor some sort of mandatory theft/loss reporting, too. I've never deaccessioned a firearm without a 4473, it's the ultimate CYA if nothing else.

I've always said I'd actually settle for rolling everything under a modified NFA (e.g. no CLEO signoff/"shall-issue", streamline the BGC, so forth) in exchange for reopening the registry, nationwide CCW, and some other perks. I mean, even hardline control advocates admit it works.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:36 AM

37. Suddenly! the security of paper. With concern over NSA

 

capabilities & abuses, the "closed loop," even paper records of 4473 dealers, look more appealing than most modern electronic privacy options using the innertubes and social media. Such irony.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:29 PM

27. Good for them

 

time to give Cuomo a lesson in civil disobedience.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:51 AM

28. But I thought the argument in gun control was that there were no confiscations

Is that your take on it?

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Response to Packerowner740 (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 8, 2014, 08:39 AM

34. SHHHH, he can't comment on his posts

 

I am sure he is though

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