Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumVirginia Dem. says guns need to be titled, registered, gun owners like ‘little children’
Virginia Dem. says guns need to be titled, registered, gun owners like little childrenBy Joe Newby at Liberty Unyielding
http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/02/20/virginia-dem-says-guns-need-titled-registered-gun-owners-like-little-children/
"SNIP.........................
On Wednesday, Mike Dickinson, a Virginia Democrat running to replace Eric Cantor, R-Va., in the House of Representatives, compared gun owners to children in a message on Twitter. Earlier in the day, he said guns should be titled and registered just like cars.
Gun owners are like little kids right now. They all the rights but none of the responsibility (sic). With rights comes responsibility, he tweeted.
One person said Dickinson should either quit huffing paint thinner or quit twitter.
Reading your tweets is like watching Idiocracy, added Chair Force One.
One person, however, expressed hope he would win the election so you can use ARMED Govt agents to disarm these gun owners. We were informed by email that individual was being facetious with his comment.
In another tweet, Dickinson said that anyone who sells a gun should be responsible if that weapon is used in a crime, making a comparison to bar owners who sell alcohol to those who drink and drive.
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applegrove
(118,577 posts)elleng
(130,825 posts)Many of us did a lot of work for Wayne Powell, to no avail. https://www.facebook.com/PowellForVA
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and stupid. Guts, OK. Smarts, not so much.
I hope the party finds someone better to take on Cantor.
His comparison with cars isn't even accurate. Cars are only registered if they are used on public roadways. Registration isn't required to own them.
To Dickinson, I would say gun control advocates are like spoiled brats that lie and call names just to get their way.
BTW, he is pro censorship. He said he wanted to have the FCC monitor and regulate media organizations he doesn't like. Imagine if Cantor said the same about MSNBC?
Quite frankly, he sounds like an authoritarian crackpot and I hope a better Democrat, one that is actually a liberal, beats both him and Cantor.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)got me to post an article by some 'liberty' group. I'll post it again:
"Gun owners are like little kids right now. They all the rights but none of the responsibility (sic). With rights comes responsibility, he tweeted." is exactly the right tone.
Sorry. But we disagree.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Quite frankly, he sounds like an authoritarian crackpot and I hope a better Democrat, one that is actually a liberal, beats both him and Cantor.
Being for censoring Fox, MSNBC, or anyone else is unAmerican and not liberal. At best, he is simply throwing red meat to the base. At worst, he is a dim bulb culture warrior with no serious solutions to violent crime or anything else. I'm starting to think that he could be a Republican place marker.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Mine is more accurate. The difference is, he is offending a lot of Democrats, like 25-30 percent of them. You might like it, but don't count on it winning elections, especially in Virginia. As soon McAuliffe started talking gun control, his very good lead turned turned into a slim plurality. If it were not for the Libertarian, McAluliffe would not be in office.
I think he might be a Republican place marker.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the authoritarian billionaire using a former Monsanto PR executive as a front? Watts is a PR executive, MDA is a creation of VoxPop Public Relations LLC, founded by Watts after leaving Monsanto. If MDA didn't merge with MAIG, MDA would have to file an IRS 990 to show funding. They "merged" to prevent that.
Yeah, Ted Nugent is a loudmouth and his music sucks, but he didn't sell GMOs.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)There is an affluent and very conservative ward in Tampa that has has re elected an African American retired school teacher to the city council for the past three elections, which is a good thing. Why? Part of it is she is doing a good job for them. Another is that the same Republican keeps challenging her: the owner of a couple of "gentlemans clubs" on Dale Mabry along with several porn shops throughout the county.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)gun restriction issue.
The political price for insults like this is high. Gun owners are reminded that controllers hate them more than gun violence and donate/vote accordingly.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)that the NRA and other RW groups Will dig in and double-down.
But culture war is Far more pleasureable to controllers than dealing with social ills. Far more.
sarisataka
(18,539 posts)Liberty Unyeilding claims to transend partisan politics.
However you can subscribe to the Liberty Unyielding blog through Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Unyielding/dp/B00AHZU846 described as thus:
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Why are GC proponents always on conservative/RW sites?
applegrove
(118,577 posts)gun owners want the privilege without the responsibility. I'm sure it will go big.
sarisataka
(18,539 posts)that this is a RW site which put this up to show Democrats are radicals.
Their other home page articles are "A Better Argument Against Raising the Minimum Wage" and "President admits ACA is not really that affordable"
Edit to add> Author's bio:
Joe Newby is an IT professional who has been involved in conservative politics for years. In 1991, he ran for City Council in Riverside, California, and has served as a campaign manager for local conservatives in California and Idaho, including former Idaho State Representative Jeff Alltus. For a year, he hosted a local access cable talk show that covered conservative politics. He attended the University of Arkansas, Community College at Batesville where he graduated summa cum laude in 2005.
I guess Nugent would suddenly be reformed if he posted an article on a Democrat speaking against guns.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)the context it was placed in. This 'gun nuts want the privilege without the responsibility' idea is going to go places.
sarisataka
(18,539 posts)the actual quote is
applegrove
(118,577 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)repealing all current federal laws? No.
sarisataka
(18,539 posts)myself included are strong proponents of responsibility and would like to see laws that strengthen that responsibility.
I would think anyone who wants better GC laws would try to appeal to that group rather than alienate them. And there are millions upon millions of them.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)If some moron down the street is irresponsible with his weapon, that has ZERO effect on me as a responsible gun owner.
I own them legally, I keep them locked up, I have had training, and I should be rewarded for that responsibility with the exercise of the RIGHT that the Constitution declares is mine: I can keep and bear arms.
Although it is a sad day when I have to ask to be rewarded with my rights.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and it is a right, not a privilege. If he wins the primary, his chance against Cantor is zero. Anytime you up against an incumbent and especially if your party has the WH in an off year election the cards are stacked against you. Add to that:
insulting a lot of people, including a lot of Democrats
being in the "adult entertainment" industry in a socially conservative area
promoting censorship
losing a debate with Sean Hannity. How do you lose a debate with Sean Hannity? Hannity makes Piers Morgan look brilliant. If asked about current gun control laws, I seriously doubt he could accurately explain them.
I say he is a plant, just like I thought Alvin Greene was a Republican plant.
http://theweek.com/article/index/204057/the-alvin-greene-trainwreck-a-timeline
Token Republican
(242 posts)that the eventual goal is banning all guns. Posters here on DU have actually admitted that the DNC position on guns is merely a sham to hide the underlying goal. Contrary to the tweet, or whatever you call someone who posts on twitter, believes about gun owners, people don't react too well to being insulted.
Now, why would gun owners oppose registration? Seems reasonable.
But what exactly would registration accomplish? Criminals cannot be forced to register weapons. That's different than saying they won't, I'm saying that it is illegal to require many criminals to register weapons.
Then look at the history of gun registration. Unlike cars, there's a long history of registration being used solely as a first step to confiscate. If the car analogy is to be used, then you have to assume there's a movement that wants to ban cars and has tried to do so using registration lists.
Want proof? Here we go. From HuffPo too.
HuffPo Article regarding confiscation
Now, in this article its presented that some terrible evil is being prevented by trying to confiscate weapons. For argument's sake, lets pretend this is true. What needs to be taken away from this article is the state's desire to confiscate and the ability to do so through registration.
Now combine it with this huffpo article.
HuffPo Article on Brown vetoing bill that redefine's assault weapons
Assault weapons are arbitrary definitions. There are banned features. There are acceptable features. One definition says two features are bad. Other definitions say one feature is bad. Advocates of banning assault weapons say these features make guns very dangerous. Lets assume that to be the case for argument's sake.
California almost passed a law that said all semi auto guns are banned, even if they had ZERO features. Gov. Brown vetoed this bill, but I'm sure it will come around again.
Now, if a bill can be passed banning a gun based on evil features that it doesn't have, that means every gun can be banned under the guise of assault weapons. When you add that to a registration list, you have the perfect formula to ban and confiscate every firearm.
And that's why there's so much opposition to these kinds of proposals.
Of course, there will always be those who will simply yap "NRA TALKING POINTS" and attitudes like that are exactly why any reasonable gun control legislation is failing. Because gun owners are not like little children.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)1st and 2nd Amenments, or at least opposed to the meanings of those amendments. We could use a less polarizing Democrat in that house seat.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)That he thinks that he does not need or want the support of any Democratic gun owners. Well if he doesn't want it I won't give it.
a kennedy
(29,642 posts)A Democratic rival to Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) took his "war" against Fox News straight to the network on Thursday.
In an interview with "On The Record w/ Greta Van Susteren," congressional candidate Mike Dickinson (D) duked it out with the TV host over his critical comments surrounding the network's coverage. Back in March, Dickinson proclaimed that he would "not rest" on his efforts to fight the tea party and Fox News, among others.
Van Susteren got right to work in challenging that claim, asking Dickinson "OK, why do you hate me?"
"Well, I have a problem with all of Fox News," Dickinson responded.
"No, what about me?" Van Susteren pushed back. "I'm Fox News. I'm trash, apparently. What's the problem with me?"
"I don't have a problem you personally," Dickinson said. "I have a problem with the company you work for. I think the facts are misrepresented. Every day is an attack on Obama."
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)not shooting himself in the foot.
otohara
(24,135 posts)Dickinson needs to increase his security after this tweet.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Cantor already has his victory speech written. Hopefully someone beats this guy in the primary.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)You can own a car without a title or registering it. You have to do things if using them on public roads.
People do have responsibility with guns, over 45 million gun owners and less than one percent misuse them. So he is labeling the over 99% based on the few. Sounds like republicans with Muslims.
Does he think someone bent on murder is going to care if their gun has a title? "Oh...crap, I don't want to break the title law when killing someone so I guess I won't" but hey, it 'feels' good.
"In another tweet, Dickinson said that anyone who sells a gun should be responsible if that weapon is used in a crime" - So - earlier he said we should make gun laws like cars.
So let's hold car makers/dealers/sellers responsible if you drink and drive.
Yeah...real smart.