NRA surprisingly credited with crafting new anti-gun laws

[SecularMotion]

The tides may be turning within the National Rifle Association: according to a new report, America’s largest gun-lobbying group has helped advance three bills recently that limit firearm ownership, and more could soon be added to that list.

On Tuesday this week, reporters Laura Bassett and Christina Wilkie wrote for the Huffington Post that the NRA has all but abandoned earlier efforts by the group to halt state legislation that attempt to impose restrictions on legally owning guns. Instead, the HuffPost reporters wrote, the organization’s lobbyists have worked directly with lawmakers in order to craft rules agreeable by both sides that force gun owners with domestic violence records to surrender their weapons.

After nearly a decade, Bassett and Wilkie wrote, the NRA has only recently “changed its tune” in February the group helped advance a bill in Washington state that aims to guns out of the hands of alleged domestic abusers. Similar bills have already recently been advanced or approved in the states of Louisiana, Wisconsin and Minnesota, the journalists added, and the NRA is unexpectedly the one that deserves credit.

For practically ten years before that, the NRA took seemingly every action possible to keep HB 1840 from being signed into law in Washington. Initially, the bill was written so that anyone alleged to be a domestic abuser would have to hand over their weapons after being served with a protective order, but the NRA — largely known for staunchly opposing attempts to infringe on the right to own firearms — has opposed that language since it was first considered by local lawmakers.

http://rt.com/usa/154116-nra-huffpost-domestic-abuse/

[Straw Man]

1. Are you going to miss your demonology?

"The NRA has been really good to work with on this particular issue," Minnesota State Rep. Dan Schoen (D) told the website. "It pains me to say, but they have been."

The opposition to this bill has always been to the removal of rights without due process. The key word is "alleged." Orders of protection are issued without much scrutiny, as a stop-gap emergency measure. The changes are aimed at striking a balance between protecting potential victims of abuse while mitigating the infringement of rights.

[SecularMotion]

2. It's a small step, but it doesn't absolve the NRA of blocking reasonable gun laws.

Center for American Progress senior policy fellow Arkadi Gerney added to the HuffPost report that the NRA’s recent about face is welcome, but likely a calculated retreat.

“The NRA knows that their message -- which is more guns everywhere and generally doing nothing to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people -- doesn't resonate very well with most women in the United States,” Gerney said.

[blueridge3210]

3. Which reasonable gun laws? (NT)

[SecularMotion]

4. Hi follower

[blueridge3210]

5. Dude, there is no post #5.

Do you wish to actually discuss something; or is your entire purpose devoted to spamming this group and violating the SOP? As a group host yourself one would expect you to respect the SOP of other groups; your posting history here does not show that to be the case.

[oneshooter]

7. Why don't you answer a reasonable question. n/t

[Duckhunter935]

8. Would you mind actually answering the question

that was asked of you? I think it is a good question and deserves a response.

[blueridge3210]

9. It would appear to exceed his capabilities.

Based on what I have observed.

Block posters from the group he hosts? - Check

Cut and paste in this group w/ no comment or opinion? - Check

Snarky one liners such as "See post number_" or "Hi follower/stalker"? - Check.

Comply with the SOP of this group and actually discuss the issue and put forward his own ideas?

NO.

Based on the above it appears clear that his abilities are limited.

[Lizzie Poppet]

10. Which leads to the obvious question:

Why is someone who does little else but spam the group with copypasta allowed to remain?

[blueridge3210]

11. Copypasta? Does that come with marinara or alfredo sauce? lol

It does demonstrate with great regularity the moral bankruptcy of the other gun "discussion" group. By allowing him to continue to post w/o comments it shows the lack of coherent ideas regarding RKBA. IMHO of course.

[Lizzie Poppet]

12. I love that term!

But yeah, you're right really. If we had a "front page" that allowed a lot fewer posts, it might be a reason to ban (pushing threads off the front with spam is a tactic as old as message boards, but it doesn't really work here).

Besides, this kind of stuff is being posted in GD constantly now, and the rule against such threads there has become a complete joke.

[blueridge3210]

16. True.

It does, however, provide the benefit of allowing the pure-blind idiots to self-identify.

Priceless.

[spin]

6. It has long been my opinion that if some in the leadership of the gun control movement would ...

simply realize that the end goal of banning and confiscating most firearms in our nation is not practical or possible.

It might have worked in the UK and some other nations but none had our gun culture and all had far fewer gun owners and firearms to deal with. Also none of these nations had anything like the 2nd Amendment in their constitutions. Such nations may also have far more trust in their governments than we do. We tend to have a considerable amount of distrust in our elected officials and their motivations, perhaps for good reason.

If the gun control movement would drop their possibly "noble" but futile effort to ban certain firearms or all firearms and instead work with organizations such as the NRA to formulate better legislation to improve our current gun laws, we might actually better insure that these weapons end up in the hands of responsible, honest and sane citizens.

[Eleanors38]

13. Old news. BTW, there may be a more salient reason for the NRA's actions:

The big rise in women gun-owners. Not even the NRA wants to stand against the wishes of armed females. Besides, they shoot more better.

[jimmy the one]

14. Look! They spelled BAN!

according to a new report, America’s largest gun-lobbying group has helped advance three bills recently that limit firearm ownership, and more could soon be added to that list.

NRA Monkeys with a typewriter.
Look! it spelled CAT!

[ManiacJoe]

15. Are the laws mentioned actually anti-gun?

Seems like hype in the headline to me.

[blueridge3210]

17. Hype? From Sec-Mo?

Surely his incisive, in depth analysis and commentary on the posted article.........


Oh, wait. Never mind.