Foursome flaunts carrying assault weapons

[SecularMotion]

EAST PRICE HILL, Ohio (Larry Davis) -- Videos that made their way around Facebook and other social media sites had neighbors talking about fears of violence.

The video showed a man and two women carrying around high-powered weapons. They made no attempt to hide their weapons and the videos are full of racial slurs. The voice in the video was that of a man who recorded three of his friends walking through the streets of East Price Hill. They flaunted the fact that they are legally carrying AR-15's through the neighborhood.

Tracy Howard recently moved into the neighborhood. She grew up in South Africa in an era of apartheid. She was not only troubled by the video but what she sees in East Price Hill.

William Helton was also amazed by what he saw and heard. The video showed the foursome walk by district three police headquarters and were later questioned by police officers. They go on their way, bragging about being able to legally walk the streets carrying assault weapons.

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/foursome-flaunts-carrying-assault-weapons-video-13675.shtml

[Duckhunter935]

1. why as a host do you fail to abide by the SOP?

[cheyanne]

3. What is SOP?

[melm00se]

4. SOP = Statement of Purpose

and for this group:

Statement of Purpose

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

[Eleanors38]

14. I think many posts here meet the SLOP.

[blueridge3210]

2. I guess you forgot to mention

That they were later arrested. I wonder why that is? Surely you're not trying to misrepresent what happened?

[ManiacJoe]

8. Interestingly, there were no charges mentioned.

[blueridge3210]

9. From the linked article:

Since that video was recorded, Cincinnati police have arrested two of the four people in connection with the recent CIRV initiative. Charged were Jesse Deboard, the man heard on the video. The other was identified as Stephanie Coverman. Warrants are out for Chris Masters and Christina Tharp.


Two arrested; warrants pending for the other two at the time the article was posted. Yet the OP seems to want to imply that the people involved suffered no consequences for their actions.

[ManiacJoe]

10. Exactly. Lots of talk about arrests, no mention of actual charges.

That suggests that the DA's office is going to have problems with the cases.

[blueridge3210]

12. Or that lazy reporters couldn't take the time

to get all the facts. Not the first time the media has missed or ignored facts in order to get the story out first. Magistrate judges don't sign warrants "just because"; you have to present probable cause that a crime occurred. Based on some of the reported comments a charge of Disorderly Conduct would probably be justified.

Again, the OP posts the story in such a way as to imply that there were no consequences to the event. Of course presenting an honest accounting is not the OP's strong suit.

[DonP]

5. So how many people were shot during this event?

In Chicago we don't allow any form of open carry and even our new concealed carry laws are pretty strict.

We had 29 shot between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning 6AM.

New York had 21 shot over the weekend.

Where's all that the gun control outrage over these real shootings, as opposed to the manufactured outrage over a protest that they think "might" harm somebody?

Could it be because the majority of those shot were minorities?

So how many did these open carry people shoot? What's the dead and injured toll from all these open carry protests so far?

[jimmy the one]

6. stop misleading with high figures emanating from NYC & chicago

donp: We {Chicago} had 29 shot between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning 6AM. New York had 21 shot over the weekend.

I wish you would stop misleading with relatively high figures emanating from the largest & third largest populated cities in the country - New York City & Chicago (guncontrol liberal cities both). Not surprising they will tend to have higher figures than rest of country.
You complain of their smell while ignoring the pro-gun stink in your own backyard.
The people doing the shootings are people in good part associated with the open carry nuts, & are more prevalent by rate in progun states.
Compare apples to apples whydontcha? because it don't work so well for you:

2006, guncontrol NYC vs pro gunners Dallas,Houston,Charleston, & Phoenix:
..............NYC.. ..DallasTX..ChstnSC ..PhxAR ..HoustonTX - crimerates/100k
Murder:....... 7.3.......15 ..........21 ..........15..........18.2
Forcible Rape:..13.......53 .......41 ..........36 .........41
Robbery: .....287 .......554 ......226 .........287 .....548
AggtdAsslt:.329 .......584 .....597 ........398 .........561
Burglary: ....271 ......1735 ......652 ......1064 ......1295
Larc/Thft:...1412 ......4006 .....2868 ......3282 ......3524
AutoTheft: ...195 ......1116 ......501 ........1587 ....1017
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Phoenix&s1=AZ&c2=New+York&s2=NY

New York City has a fraction around 30 - 40% of the overall crime rates of these 4 pro gun cities where guns are allowed almost everywhere with few strings attached.
What, you want NYC to become MORE LIKE HOUSTON, DALLAS, PHOENIX, & CHARLESTONSC and ALLOW EASIER ACCESS TO AND MORE GUNS INSIDE?????

And, 2011: city ---- viol crime rate .... murder & nn-MS:
Chicago: .................. 1,061.0 ......................15.9
Memphis PROGUN: .... 1,583.5 ......................17.9
Nashville PROGUN ..... 1,181.3 ........................8.2
Miami PROGUN ......... 1,197.6 .......................16.8
Kansas City Mo PROGUN .. 1,199.7 .................23.4
Atlanta PROGUN Ga......1,432.8 ......................20.7
St Louis Mo PROGUN ....1,856.7 ......................35.3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

[DonP]

7. Misleading? No open carry allowed and these are typical weekend numbers for Chicago

"The people doing the shootings are people in good part associated with the open carry nuts, & are more prevalent by rate in progun states. "

WTF are you blabbering on about. Neither city I cited allows open carry and both are strong Dem controlled cities. At least they are if you think of Rahm is a Dem. Most union members here don't.

Sorry if news reports are "biased" in your view, but that's just the reality of it all.

Now, back to your indecipherable and pointless word salad.

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. We're dealing with people that reject reality and substitute their own

They're also convinced that a wave of support for gun control will be
sweeping the country Real Soon Now. They've been saying this for
20+ years...

[DonP]

13. That's to be expected, deny basic facts. Same as the denial of new gun owners

Based on one of their many holy tenets, every gun owner must own at least 156 gun by now, most of them "assault weapons". And that always leads to more gun crimes, except when it doesn't.

In the meantime Illinois is still issuing over 20,000 new FOID cards every month for the last two years. There's only one reason to bother to get a FOID card, you intend to buy a new gun and ammo.

Of course that's just deep blue Illinois, I'm sure they're right about all those other states.

[otohara]

15. How Many Were Terrified During This Event?

I know Chicago, Chicago, Chicago

Terrifying minorities - nothing to see here.

[DonP]

16. So for all the knicker twisting you're going through every time - more people were shot in Detroit?

Funny, I haven't seen a single post from you or your ilk about the 29 people shot in Chicago last weekend, mostly minorities, and pretty much every other weekend too.

Some people might even suggest you and your tiny band of "friends" had totally messed up priorities, worrying day and night and fretting about some fat white guys walking around with rifles in a Wal Mart somewhere, while ignoring real people actually getting shot.

Some folks might even say you're dumb enough to give these characters all the attention they obviously crave.

But not me. You just keep ranting and foaming at the mouth every time they do it and ignore all those real people getting shot an stabbed in our cities.

Then share your plans to get the Dem Senators that won't even consider a gun control vote to change their minds.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. It's safe to ridicule fat white guys walking around with rifles

Talking about shootings in Chicago and Detroit inevitably raises certain issues
that pseudo-progressives would prefer not be discussed...

[jimmy the one]

18. ridicule becomes ridiculous

I had written: "The people doing the shootings are people in good part associated with the open carry nuts, & are more prevalent by rate in progun states. "
donP replied: WTF are you blabbering on about. Neither city I cited allows open carry and both are strong Dem controlled cities... Sorry if news reports are "biased" in your view, but that's just the reality of it all.

It isn't the reality of what I'd written, you need to dictionary up 'associated' & retry, addressing what I actually contended, not what you spun it to be - a false premise.
I'm well aware that Chicago doesn't allow open carry & is democratic, indeed Chicago is the socialist capital of America; how do you like living in the socialist capital of America? wouldn't bother me, but does it bug you that so many socialists are about?

donP: Based on one of their many holy tenets, every gun owner must own at least 156 gun by now, most of them "assault weapons". And that always leads to more gun crimes, except when it doesn't.

This is ridiculous hyperbole, utter nonsense.

donP: ..Illinois.. There's only one reason to bother to get a FOID card, you intend to buy a new gun and ammo.

I'm sure there relatively some percent who get an FOID card but do not intend to buy a gun, just wanna have it in case they eventually do, or in case Illinois decides on stricter gun control in the future they'll be foided.
So you're quite wrong again. You came to ridicule, but ended up ridiculous.

donP: Funny, I haven't seen a single post from you {otohara} or your ilk about the 29 people shot in Chicago last weekend, mostly minorities, and pretty much every other weekend too.

Again you're flaunting Chicago's high shootings without putting them in perspective. With 2.5 million people that's roughly 1 shooting per 100,000 people.
I'll bet there were 2 shootings last weekend in plenty of progun cities with 200,000 people, like Richmond Virginia.

[jimmy the one]

19. shootings in chicago down first quarter

donP: In Chicago we don't allow any form of open carry and even our new concealed carry laws are pretty strict.
I haven't seen a single post from you or your ilk about the 29 people shot in Chicago last weekend, mostly minorities, and pretty much every other weekend too.

Well, last weekend (june/july abouts) wasn't the first quarter, but looks like we have dueling progun banjos, & of course concealed carry groups are attributing the drop to concealed carry in chicago:

abc news apparently: July of 2013, Illinois became the last state in the union to enact a concealed carry law. In January of this year, the state began accepting applications for permits. This week {april}, Chicago police announced that the city’s first quarter murder rate was the lowest since 1958. (DOES ANYONE SEE THE ILLOGIC HERE???)

The first three months of the year saw 6 fewer murders than the same time frame in 2013–a 9% drop–and 55 fewer murders than 2012 {albeit cherry picking = lying with statistics)
There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, drops of 26 and 29 percent respectively..
Compared to the first quarter of 2012, there have been 222 fewer shootings and 292 fewer shooting victims. Overall crime is down 25% from last year, and police said more than 1,300 illegal guns were recovered in the last three months. http://teapartyeconomist.com/2014/04/05/chicago-murder-rates-drop-illinois-passes-conceal-carry-law/#HhpQPv4rjdriHR7W.99

Well which is it, donP???? should we be worried about Chicago's high number of shootings? or happy that shootings are down in chicago?
You can't have it both ways. As much as you try to do.

donP: Some people might even suggest you and your tiny band of "friends" had totally messed up priorities, worrying day and night and fretting about some fat white guys walking around with rifles in a Wal Mart somewhere, while ignoring real people actually getting shot.

Again with the hyperbole. I don't know of a single gun control advocate who worries day & night about fat white guys walking about walmart with rifles. Invite some of them to discuss on this board, donp. Nor do we ignore real people who get shot.

[DonP]

20. Yeah, sure they are - "82 shot, 14 killed over the 4th weekend"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/80736972/Video-Deadly-Fourth-of-July-weekend-in-Chicago-82-shot-14-killed

Last week it was "only" 48 shot with 4 dead.

Keep listening to Garry McCarthy, Rahm's meat puppet who cooked the books on crime numbers and is under Federal investigation.

Rahm/Garry arithmetic: 4 people shot in the same fight in 2011 = 4 shootings, 4 people shot in the same fight 2014 = 1 shooting. See how easy it is to reduce the violent crime rate?

[jimmy the one]

21. who's to blame

donp: Last week it was "only" 48 shot with 4 dead.

Evidently over the fuller july 4th '4 day' wkend it was 82 shot with 14 killed, including 2 killed by cops while holding guns. Chicago (mostly south chgo): 82 shootings in 84 hours.
In my opinion, the cold winter inhibited violent crime in Chicago first quarter jan thru march 2014, but it's warmed up.

donp: Rahm/Garry arithmetic: 4 people shot in the same fight in 2011 = 4 shootings, 4 people shot in the same fight 2014 = 1 shooting. See how easy it is to reduce the violent crime rate?

The fbi would list it as 4 aggravated assaults or murders by firearm (as case may be), with one shooting incident. The onscene local or state police would list the aggr'd assaults as 4, of course. FBI UCR would list 4 murders if murders.

But guns are more prevalent in Chicago now than they were 4 years ago, why aren't you complaining of the presence of more guns in Chicago as a possible contributing reason for more shootings? don't you even see the possible link?
And why do you complain of the smell in Chicago while ignoring the stink in your own backyard? (gun wise):

(Last year in Houston on the fourth of july, just gundeaths not wounded): July 7, 2013 The Independence Day holiday weekend included at least 10 apparent murders and traffic deaths (five traffic, 5 shot, 1 murder-suicide so six gunshot deaths) in the Houston area, ... Father, son killings among deadly shootings during holiday weekend....
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Father-son-killings-among-deadly-shootings-4651661.php

And just yday, a week past july 4th: Ronald Lee Haskell, 34, allegedly opened fire on his unsuspecting family in Houston, Texas... shot a total of 7 people July 9, leaving 6 dead and 1 injured.
But that's not the total gundeaths in Houston for this week, read on:

Houston PD: 7-10-14 Investigation into Fatal Shooting at 7630 Yoe Street
7-07-14 Fatal Shooting at 11400 Panay
7-07-14 Fatal Shooting at 724 Greens
7-07-14 Investigation into Fatal Shooting at 1773 Nichole Woods Drive
7-07-14 Fatal Traffic Accident at 500 Fannin
7-07-14 Suspect Arrested, Charged in Fatal Shooting at 5607 Trafalgar
prior july 4th: 7-02-14 UPDATE: Investigation into Fatal Shooting at 4949 West 34th Street
7-02-14 Investigation into Fatal Shooting at 4949 West 34th
7-01-14 Investigation into Shooting at 10950 Fullerton
http://www.houstontx.gov/police/news.htm

A deadly weekend in Houston October 24, 2011 A bloody weekend in Houston came to a wretched close Sunday: A man was shot to death for the money in his wallet. The death added another name to the list of eight people killed over the weekend in shootings, a stabbing and multiple car wrecks. In total, four people were shot,

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Houston has far fewer gun laws, and lesser rates of robbery and murder

We eagerly await your 500 word (with lots of bolding and italics)
explanation...

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-january-june-2013/tables/table-4-cuts/table_4_offenses_reported_to_law_enforcement_by_state_oklahoma_through_wisconsin_2013.xls


HOUSTON

2,177,273


Murder

105

Aggravated Assault

5,087

Robbery

4,612




http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-january-june-2013/tables/table-4-cuts/table_4_offenses_reported_to_law_enforcement_by_state_illinois_through_missouri_2013.xls


CHICAGO

2,708,382

Murder

179

Aggravated Assault

5,074

Robbery

5,416

[jimmy the one]

23. funny guy

Last edited Wed Jul 16, 2014, 01:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Funny icon posted, 2013 stats:

HOUSTON 2,177,273
Murder 105
Aggravated Assault 5,087
Robbery 4,612

CHICAGO 2,708,382
Murder 179
Aggravated Assault 5,074
Robbery 5,416

Putting those figures in terms of crime 'rates' per capita (100k):
crime .... .Houston ....... Chicago
murder .. 4.82 .... .... 6.6
aggrasslt.. 233.6 .... 187.3
robbery: ... 211.8 .... 200

Thanks, you corroborated quite nicely my point, that Houston is on a per capita par with violent crime in Chicago.
It actually is more violent crime prone in Houston than chicago, since there are far more robberies & aggravated assaults than murders.

Edit to add property crime & rates:
Chicago 53,807 = 1.98 prop crimes/100k
Houston 51,707 = 2.375 prop crimes/100k ----- did you have a point icon?