U.S. judge upholds Colorado gun restrictions

[SecularMotion]

Colorado gun laws that mandate background checks on private sales and that limit ammunition magazines to 15 rounds are constitutional, a federal judge ruled Thursday.

The state's Democratic-majority legislature passed the measures last year in reaction to the 2012 mass killings at a Denver-area movie theater and the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. In a backlash by voters, two Democratic senators subsequently were recalled and a third resigned.

In her 50-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Marcia Krieger wrote "evidence shows that large-capacity magazines are frequently used in gun violence and mass shootings, and that often a shooter will shoot continuously until a weapon jams or the shooter runs out of ammunition."

"Most experts agree that the size of a magazine correlates to the number of rounds that are fired in both an offensive and defensive capacity," she added.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/26/colorado-guns-background-checks-ammunition/11425105/

[blueridge3210]

1. Old news.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

[Duckhunter935]

2. as a host

Last edited Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:16 AM - Edit history (3)

to make people happy I will post a comment about the article.

I think this will turn out to hurt Democrats in the long run and and amp up Republican voters in the midterm elections. Magazine limits did nothing for VA Tech and the 3 murders in California last month.

"Most experts agree that the size of a magazine correlates to the number of rounds that are fired in both an offensive and defensive capacity," she added.

So it would make sense police officers should also be limited as they seem to just empty their magazines when shooting people.

Now for my question to the OP..................

Care to abide by the group SOP and discuss your post?

[safeinOhio]

3. Post seems pretty self explanatory.

If you wish to attack the poster, feel free to alert.

[blueridge3210]

4. No one is "attacking" the poster.

Simply asking him to comment on his spam.

[safeinOhio]

5. Spam?

What product is being sold and where can I order it?

[blueridge3210]

7. Spam. Repeatedly posting in a group w/o commenting.

The OP is a host in the "other" gun group. That group is quick to ban anyone who doesn't completely agree with all gun regulations; the lack of activity over there is a direct consequence. The OP then pops over here and posts a bunch of articles but never comments. (Except to post that he wishes some posters to be banned).

[Duckhunter935]

9. drive by

posting with no comment or discussion not following the group SOP which as a host the poster should know better but he, she or it does it all the time to try and get posters that respond a hide. This poster is well known not to follow the SOP in he, she or it's favorite group.

Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA, 207 posts in the last 90 days (56% of total posts)

Slacking, couple of weeks ago it was up to 76% of the posts.

[safeinOhio]

8. What is SPAM

Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender.

There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems.

Email spam targets individual users with direct mail messages. Email spam lists are often created by scanning Usenet postings, stealing Internet mailing lists, or searching the Web for addresses. Email spams typically cost users money out-of-pocket to receive. Many people - anyone with measured phone service - read or receive their mail while the meter is running, so to speak. Spam costs them additional money. On top of that, it costs money for ISPs and online services to transmit spam, and these costs are transmitted directly to subscribers.

http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml

[blueridge3210]

10. Nice cut and paste.

Do you have any thoughts on the topic of the OP?

[Jenoch]

29. "Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message..."

That's exactly what S&M did yesterday to LBN.

[safeinOhio]

31. So, would the same replies about

not commenting(same message every time) count too. They could test the rule by flagging the post and letting people vote.

[Jenoch]

32. Actually, those replies are not the same every time.

Asking a valid question repeatedly is not the same as spam.

[safeinOhio]

34. Actually, every post is different, not the same one.

On the other hand, valid or not, asking the same question over and over again for every post REPEATEDLY might well be spam.

[Duckhunter935]

35. If posters would

kindly follow the group SOP, I would be glad not to ask them a question. As I try and comment now on the OP and ask for a comment from the OP it is indeed different for every OP.

[Duckhunter935]

6. I try not to alert

Just asking the poster politely to follow the group SOP. He is very strict in enforcing the SOP of his group and he should be held to the same standard in this group.

Statement of Purpose

Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence

[safeinOhio]

13. Post meets statement of purpose

I see tons of cartoons posted every day on DU with no comment by the person that post, and no one comments on the lack of comments. So, the person makes a post. Feel free to comment on the post. Most people get more pissed about personal attacks, which your replies get close to as they are always the same and always about one DU member.

Next time comment on the article first, not the person and his style of letting the article speak for it's self, just like the cartoons that are posted many times a day here.

[Duckhunter935]

15. I disagree

this group is not the rest of DU and the SOP is very specific and words have meaning.

Discuss
o talk about (something) with another person or group

[Duckhunter935]

19. "just like the cartoons that are posted many times a day here."

can you please link to some, I must be missing them.

Thanks

"Next time comment on the article first"

I might start doing that to please you, so are you now going to comment on the article?

[safeinOhio]

22. If you miss the "toon roundup"

posted about everyday, you are missing a bunch of great post that are DUrec by many with no comments by doc.

[Duckhunter935]

23. in this group?

This group's SOP is the one that we are having the discussion about.

I do not think I have seen Doc's postings here but I have seen them in other groups that the SOP allows them.

[safeinOhio]

26. how about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147529

just asking

[Duckhunter935]

27. at least Hack comments

and discusses in the body of the thread about the topic and follows the group SOP.

Care to answer my other question about DOC, or were you wrong?

[safeinOhio]

28. wrong about that, right about this.

He may comment yet, tomorrow or next week or 10 years form now.

[Duckhunter935]

33. in that thread body

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147555
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147539
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147544
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147548
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147557
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147562
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147564
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147581
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=147773

Hack seems to part of the discussion and following the SOP

Care to answer my first question about Doc or will you admit you were wrong? You are doing very good at deflecting .

[Duckhunter935]

36. I see you do not want to answer my question

That is OK

[Duckhunter935]

25. did some checking, Doc has 3 posts in this group

Last edited Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:46 AM - Edit history (2)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=17&sort=author

1 cartoon which after posting without comment he did get in a good discussion with posters in the group

1 post without discussion

1 post locked by host as off topic

Secular has hundreds of posts in this group without comment or discussion in the post with other members.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=22&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=23&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=24&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=25&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=26&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=27&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=28&sort=author

That does seem to me to rise to level of spamming this group as he, she or it has tried in other groups. To bad that level of posting is not allowed in the other gun group.

[Electric Monk]

43. Here's today's 'toon thread, for example.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025194273

[Duckhunter935]

44. Did Doc post that in this group?

If you would care to read that is what this sub thread was about. Following the SOP in this group.

see post 15, 19 and 23

once again epic fail

will you admit you were wrong that this cartoon was not posted in this group so the group SOP that Secular ignores does not matter for Docs posting in GD. That was what the whole conversation was about and the other person could not admit they were wrong.

[blueridge3210]

45. He won't respond.

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In another thread he tried to claim pro-RKBA people intend to screen for mental illness and not for criminal history. He was called on it and refuses to reply.

[Duckhunter935]

46. I know

The other one went silent when called on it also.

[Duckhunter935]

47. And you were right sir

A day plus later and quiet as a church-mouse.

Just a kick to bump

[Electric Monk]

48. Nah, this subthread is about whether SM should be held to a different standard

than when people post other news (etc) threads in GD or even LBN. You think they should, and I think the news speaks for itself. You just would rather pretend there was no bad news about guns, so you're trying to shut it down any way you can. News gets posted without comment in other forums all the time. Why should GC & RKBA be different?


Also, I have no obligation to reply to belligerent assholes like your buddy Clames and whatever other names they've used over the years.

[Duckhunter935]

49. he does speak

Same standard for all in this group would be nice and as SM is a host that strictly enforces his SOP and ignores others might be called hypocrisy.

and I have no problem at all for anyone to post here unlike those that require a "safe haven" to limit free speech. It is also interesting that in that "safe haven" some make fun and call names of DU members who are blocked and not able to respond. It is also funny that you sir, advocated blocking people even before they posted in a group to take away their free speech. It just would be polite for those that post here to have some kind of discussion as per the SOP. When some just post and leave it seems they are scared. I think I speak for most in RKBA that we would enjoy having a polite dialog. We are not allowed to do that in the other group as they point to the SOP and block anyone with a contrary view, I am glad we do not do that over here. All we ask for is more speech not less.

I know bad things can happen when bad people get guns, it seems to be on your side that can not get it that guns can be used in a responsible manor thousands of times a day by law abiding citizens.

[DashOneBravo]

30. Well

Next time comment on the article first, not the person and his style of letting the article speak for it's self, just like the cartoons that are posted many times a day here.

Thanks Mother. Am I still grounded this weekend or not? Everybody wants to come over and shoot.

[Duckhunter935]

11. and your comment on the story per the group SOP?

I guess you do not care to follow it either. At least this group allows people to post and does not block them like those that need to retreat to "safe haven" like bansalot

Number Blocked members
1 hack89
2 Eleanors38
3 Crepuscular
4 Bay Boy
5 ManiacJoe
6 bossy22
7 Straw Man
8 oneshooter
9 Duckhunter935
10 friendly_iconoclast
11 rrneck
12 customerserviceguy
13 ProgressiveProfessor
14 sarisataka
15 appal_jack
16 Travis_0004
17 geckosfeet
18 Hangingon
19 NYC_SKP
20 Jenoch
21 spin
22 shedevil69taz
23 SoutherDem
24 Lurks Often
25 ileus
26 Recursion
27 SQUEE
28 MO_Moderate
29 S_B_Jackson
30 HALO141
31 Jgarrick
32 Valakut
33 arst1
34 Nuclear Unicorn
35 TupperHappy
36 pipoman
37 yeoman6987
38 Laelth
39 IronGate

[SecularMotion]

14. Thanks for reminding me to do some housecleaning

I see a few gunners on the list who have been permanently banned from DU after having been blocked from posting in GCRA.

[Duckhunter935]

17. it speaks

last time you did that, you removed two.

and how many are blocked in this group?


once again, care to comment on your latest drive by Google cut and paste post and follow this groups SOP. As a host I think you should abide by the group SOP.

[blueridge3210]

20. Stay classy.

Care to actually comment on the topic of this thread?

[Duckhunter935]

37. I see two that have permanently banned

that still leaves 37 compared to 2 here and one of those has voluntarily quite DU. Free speech is a good thing and I am glad the host of this group allows it.

[hack89]

41. Saw you whining in ATA after your LBN spam got shot down

It would appear that the only group SOP you care about is Bansalot.

[Duckhunter935]

42. I thought you were going to do some housecleaning?

still 39 blocked, maybe you will get to it after you comment on one of your posts in this group.

[Duckhunter935]

12. and how did I attack the poster?

please explain?

Apology accepted

[safeinOhio]

16. Thank you

for accepting my well thought out apology.

[Duckhunter935]

18. no problem

a lot of people do not apologize, a rare occurrence but very nice.

Have a great day

[IronGate]

21. Attacking the poster?

Since when did asking a member to abide by the rules of a group or the TOS become attacking someone?

[Duckhunter935]

24. that confuses me also

I really try and be polite

[Eleanors38]

38. I think this examp. of mass-posting is part of DU's...

Special Treatment & Dispensation package given to the gun-control/ban elites, which also includes the Guns-Dogs exception to the exception.

Bidness as usual in Ducks Unlimited.

But no complaints!

Man! Some WWII bombers & fighters just passed over Austin.

[Duckhunter935]

39. I love those old aircraft

Man! Some WWII bombers & fighters just passed over Austin.

We did make some amazing aircraft during the war and in enormous numbers in a short time. Glad to see some are still flying.

[Eleanors38]

40. Things approaching obsolescence include big piston engine plane Sounds,

being in a big, double-figure political demonstration, a night without artificial light, chasing lightning bugs through a vacant lot.