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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:13 PM Jul 2014

Gun control bill advances in Massachusetts House following 111-37 vote

BOSTON — In a rare recorded vote on legislation taken before diving into amendments, the House on Wednesday afternoon advanced a bill aimed at reducing gun violence on a 111-37 tally.

House Republicans appeared to be nearly unanimous in voting against the bill, with the notable exception of Grafton Republican George Peterson who was involved in negotiating changes to the legislation from an earlier version that had cleared the Public Safety Committee.

Prior to the vote, an unusually large number of House Democrats joined their Republican colleagues to support a bid to delay a vote on gun legislation for one week, but the measure failed.

The House Ways and Means Committee polled the revised bill overnight Tuesday after an earlier version, authored by House Speaker Robert DeLeo, received only mediocre support. The latest version (H 4278) received a 10-3 vote from the House Ways and Means Committee by Wednesday morning.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/07/gun_control_bill_moves_ahead_i.html
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Gun control bill advances in Massachusetts House following 111-37 vote (Original Post) SecularMotion Jul 2014 OP
provisions that would give the licensing authority broader discretion to deny a firearm license mwrguy Jul 2014 #1
may issue for even long guns gejohnston Jul 2014 #3
"May issue" basically means "only rich, well-connected white people" Lizzie Poppet Jul 2014 #14
Any other prior restraints upon enumerated rights meet with your approval? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #4
to easily abused Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #5
Question DashOneBravo Jul 2014 #7
No mwrguy Jul 2014 #8
Lot of liberal gun owners here Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #9
Lots of Liberals have CCW's and carry regularly. IronGate Jul 2014 #11
OK DashOneBravo Jul 2014 #12
Me, too. And I carry. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2014 #15
"I'm a liberal". So was this woman: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #17
So you aren't fond of the rule of law? Straw Man Jul 2014 #10
The Peruta case will make such discretion unconstitutional hack89 Jul 2014 #13
How much it will cost taxpayers of Massachusetts to realize this? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #16
So, any thoughts of the provisions of the bill? blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #2
the OP is scared to comment Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #6

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
1. provisions that would give the licensing authority broader discretion to deny a firearm license
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jul 2014

Good.

"Shall Issue" arms every nut that wants to feel important.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
3. may issue for even long guns
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jul 2014

for possession. Historically, may issue have been racist. In fact, the most effective gun control lobby in the past 100 years has been the KKK, who brought us restrictions on concealed carry in the 1920s. That is how concealed carry licenses in California really work. There is evidence of racial discrimination in LA County CCW licensing authority. In LA and Orange Counties, being a top contributor to the Sheriff's re election campaign is the most important criteria. In other words, bribery. Giving some cop arbitrary authority, such as denying licensing for personal opinion, is illiberal and has no place in a liberal democracy.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
9. Lot of liberal gun owners here
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jul 2014

some even carry. I do not normally but I have the license and I like having the choice. And I think you should have verifiable proof before denying a right. The rich white guys always have shall issue, see New York City, the brown people not so much.

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
12. OK
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:05 AM
Jul 2014

I didn't see that in the definition anywhere.

Thank you for the civil reply. You'll notice above we tend to be polite here also. I try not to get involved with gun threads in the other forums. Its a waste of time.

Do you think no one should own a firearm at all for sport, protection, collectors? Or is it just carrying?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
15. Me, too. And I carry.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jul 2014

Chances are, I'm further left than you are (a lot of my political positions would get me banned if I were to openly advocate them...radical socialistic views are not welcome here). Liberalism does not require being anti-gun, nor does that equivalency even make sense.

Straw Man

(6,613 posts)
10. So you aren't fond of the rule of law?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jul 2014
"Shall Issue" arms every nut that wants to feel important.

Absolutely false. "Shall issue" means that issuing authorities are expected to adhere to the licensing standards that they have created. "May issue" allows the powers-that-be to deny anyone for any reason. That invites massive abuse of authority, as was seen in the Jim Crow South.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. The Peruta case will make such discretion unconstitutional
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:24 AM
Jul 2014

that is why California and Hawaii had to change their laws to Shall issue.

Don't get your hopes up.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
16. How much it will cost taxpayers of Massachusetts to realize this?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:46 PM
Jul 2014

Quincy and Sharon are already in line to cut nice fat checks for their
intransigence on this issue. Picture something like this with a Massachusetts
place name, drawn on a MA bank:

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
2. So, any thoughts of the provisions of the bill?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:35 PM
Jul 2014

Or why the revised version was not available for review prior to the vote being held?

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