INFO at a glance: Gun violence since Newtown.....

[doxydad]

Here’s a look at some stats on guns — the deaths and school shootings, America’s public opinion and the failed Congressional attempt to take action — in the wake of the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, that killed 27 people, including 20 children and the shooter.
Number of people killed by guns, including homicide, suicide and accidental death, between Newtown and December 2013 (that have been reported by the media): 12,042

Number of people killed by guns so far in 2014: 4,772

Estimated real number of people killed by guns, including homicide, suicide and accidental death since Newtown (using most recent CDC estimates for yearly data): 51,158

Total gun deaths in 2010 (the latest year for which the CDC posts data): 31,672
number of those who were children or teens: 2,700

Number of school shootings since Newtown: 79*




No more guns. Stop the slaughter.

http://billmoyers.com/2013/05/03/gun-violence-since-newtown/

[hack89]

1. Still flogging that deceptive "school shootings" number I see.

lying for a good cause is still lying.

[flamin lib]

7. There is no lie.

MAIG posted the source and definition they used in the publication. It was and is there for everyone to see.

If two students shot each other during school hours across from the street from the school it didn't count.

You may not like the definition chosen but there was no attempt to hide it. Its not a lie just because you say so long and loud.

[hack89]

8. If someone committed suicide at 2am in the playground it did count

If you only count shootings on school property where students or faculty were in danger, the number is 15.

[gejohnston]

9. Yes they did give the definition key

but the goal was to mislead bloggers and reporters that are too stupid and too lazy to read past the headline. Using their definition my high school had a school shooting every Thursday for 50+ years. The fact that it happened to be the rifle club in the indoor range after school hours isn't relevant, just like gang hits two blocks from a school and 2AM suicides in the parking lot.

[flamin lib]

10. They meant to mislead by giving the sources for the number and the definition used? Really? nt

[gejohnston]

11. it worked didn't it?

media sources reported some as "mini Sandy Hooks". How many of the media sources actually mentioned the clarification? One that I know of.
As a PR professional, Watts knew what I explained would happen.

[flamin lib]

12. You're starting to sound like the conspiracy theorists who think

Sandy Hook was a hoax.

[gejohnston]

13. not at all

IIRC, it was MDA that used the term "mini Sandy Hooks". I do know that I first heard the term last year. This guy certainly did last year. http://oscarocelot.kinja.com/. I put the term in quotation marks because it was their term, not mine.
What you are more likely hearing is someone who, in my world travels, learned about and took classes in things like psychological operations, propaganda, and advertising. You learn a lot of things in military history. For some reason, I found the histories of PsyOps and personnel policy fascinating.

Speaking of "conspiracy theories" I found this old DU thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4086438

[flamin lib]

15. Psyops? Propaganda classes? I stand by my post re conspiracy theorists. nt

[gejohnston]

16. Well, I know what your Army MOS wasn't

http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/psychological-operations-specialist.html

http://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/gi-roundtable-series/pamphlets/what-is-propaganda/the-story-of-propaganda

[flamin lib]

17. Look, you're the one accusing MDA of practicing PSYOPS and propaganda techniques.

I'll let others decide if you are a paranoid conspiracy nut. See ya.

[gejohnston]

18. one has nothing to do with the other

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actually MDA is practicing disinformation and deception.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jun/13/everytown-gun-safety/have-there-been-74-school-shootings-sandy-hook-clo/
Others will see it for the attempted ad hominem, the lowest of all logical fallacies, that it is. I like to think most DUers are better critical thinkers than that.

[shedevil69taz]

19. Every advertising firm uses facets of both of these

in order to sell products to people everyday. Why wouldn't a well funded organization like MDA use it?

[flamin lib]

20. To liken PSYOPS to advertising is beyond idiotic. nt

[hack89]

2. So crack down on violent criminals and fix mental health care.

I am willing to help you do both.

[IronGate]

3. You might be a little more believable if you would stop using that many times

debunked 79 school shootings meme.

When you say no more guns, how do you propose to do that?

[Straw Man]

4. No more guns?

So you're advocating a total ban on private ownership of firearms? I just want to be clear on your position.

[Eleanors38]

5. Staking out the usual Extreme Prohibitionist Position.

Increasingly, the controller-banners who post here are more & more extreme about prohibition. They will assure a continued liberalizing of gun laws.

[beevul]

6. I'm not so sure.

"Increasingly, the controller-banners who post here are more & more extreme about prohibition".


I'm not so sure.


I think they may be becoming more honest.

[Eleanors38]

14. I guess the 2 dispositions are not incompatible, extremism

and honesty about it.

[pablo_marmol]

21. The hilarious part of it is that they haven't figured

out that it's a losing strategy.

[Eleanors38]

26. I wish I could share in the mirth. In Texas (and elsewhere)

we have to deal with that crap. Wendy Davis & Van dePutt can shoot up the range & take a limit if dove, but they still have to answer for Feinstein & Wasserman-Shultz. Coast-to-coast.

[pablo_marmol]

27. Actually, I typically say something along the lines of.......

the behavior would be hilarious were it not so politically devastating.

Mea culpa, mi amigo.

[Eleanors38]

28. I get your drift.

[pablo_marmol]

22. Oh lookie........a bloodied map of the U.S.!

Yeah ------ that'll convince thinking men and women that you have a case!

No wonder so many people erroneously believe that overall gun violence is on the increase.

[pablo_marmol]

23. By all means, doxydad -- let's attempt to suppress the truth

by engaging in cheap emotion-baiting!

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Mass shootings are a matter of great public interest and concern. They also are a relatively small share of shootings overall. According to a Bureau of Justice Statistics review, homicides that claimed at least three lives accounted for less than 1% of all homicide deaths from 1980 to 2008. These homicides, most of which are shootings, increased as a share of all homicides from 0.5% in 1980 to 0.8% in 2008, according to the bureau’s data.

[beevul]

24. Interesting.

It is...interesting...to compare these two maps, and note the differences of looking at it by "rate" in the first map which comes from slate, and looking at it in a more actual sense in the second map.





The "actual" map seems to paint a different picture of the problem than the "rate" map does.

[oneshooter]

25. I guess the OP could not defend his post, and ran away. n/t