Gun Control & RKBA
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Gun nuts aren't always creatures of the political right. Consider your heavily-armed author's position: I say gun ownership is a necessary line of defense against investment bankers, Wall Street lawyers, big business, the corporatized wing of the Democratic Party, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable, ALEC, Nazis, gangbangers, meth fiends, cops and politicos who cut welfare and education programs while refusing to downsize the military or raise taxes on the rich. When I was living in New York City, I voted for Bill de Blasio. I was briefly a believer in Obama's hope-change lines. I want single-payer healthcare and free public higher education and a carbon tax and the end of the warfare-surveillance-killer drone state and I want the Second Amendment protected.
I like my guns. I like the Colt Trooper .357 Magnum, and the FN .40, and the Lee-Enfield .303, and the Remington 12 gauge, and the Ruger Mini-14 with 30-shot clip and the Smith & Wesson Model 39 this last a gift from my father, a New Yorker and, like me, a liberal who is several planets to the left of President Obama. My dad is a member of the NRA, god help him. He shrugs and by way of excuse says he enjoys the group's monthly magazine, American Rifleman.
The tribe of liberal gun nuts I've gotten to know over the years includes writers, activists, musicians, schoolteachers, professors, rock-climbers, wilderness guides, environmentalist lawyers and at least one shaman. If I'd venture to pin down the unifying ideological bent of these folks, I'd say it's anti-statist socialism communitarian, decentralist, anarchist. Kiley Miller, a pal who lives in Moab, Utah, and who runs an eco-friendly house cleaning service, keeps guns because "the thought of only the government, police, sheriffs, and military having guns gives me the chills." This is a woman who describes herself as "a radical environmentalist about as far left as one can be" and who busts my balls whenever I miss the daily dose of Democracy Now. Another armed liberal living in Moab, Matt Gross, a friend of mine and of Kiley's, was the man behind Howard Dean's web campaign as director of online communications he web-fundraised what was then the unprecedented sum of $25 million and went on to work as chief online strategist for Democrats in two major senatorial campaigns and as John Edwards' senior web adviser during his 2008 run for the White House. "The right doesn't own the flag, guns or the Constitution," Gross writes me in an email. "You can be a progressive champion and still know how to handle a Glock. I support the HRC" that's the Human Rights Campaign, which lobbies for LGBT equal rights "but it doesn't mean I'm unarmed."
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Surprised no one else posted this yet, apparently... interesting piece.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Good article, but with some poor terminology. Saying that his Mini-14 has a 'clip' will alienate many. Heck, even the choice of a Mini-14 vs AK's or AR's (pick your flavor) will cause some eyes to roll.
Nonetheless, this deserves a k&r for a good piece in a wide-reaching publication.
-app
shedevil69taz
(512 posts)Maybe it's because what I grew up on shooting with my grandfather?
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)My father-in-law has a pair (one stainless and one blued, can't remember the exact model numbers) and likes them. I have not had a chance to go shooting with him yet, but we've talked about bringing his Mini-14's and my Arsenal AK's in 5.56 and seeing how they perform side by side.
Any firearm that functions reliably and fits the user well is fine by me. And like others have said downthread, the terminology hang-up (mags vs clips, etc.) is a distraction.
Glad to hear of fond memories of shooting with your grandfather!
-app
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)and many contemporary "liberals" refuse to acknowledge as it completely violates the narrative constructed by both to support an increasingly hateful culture war. Both have a tiger by the tail, and both cannot let up.
There are many here at DU who have expressed a fear of the far right, and a disdain with what passes for a countervailing political force to thwart the far right's seeming advances, even when not in the Whitehouse. These DUers assign a lot of authoritarian & anti-democratic bents to the right. Yet, still continue to push for civilian disarmament. Such detachment from reality.
ileus
(15,396 posts)beemer27
(459 posts)This guy isn't the only lefty who keeps firearms and believes in the 2nd Amendment. He can use whatever terminology he wants to describe his firearms, I don't care. They are his, and he can call them whatever he wants to call them. Many of us gun people have gotten too hung up on what is best or if it is a clip or magazine. Give it a break. This guy is on our side, and there is no reason to nit-pic his terminology. There is no reason to let the right own the firearms issue. Those are many leftys who own firearms too, and we all vote. Don't write us off (and don't piss us off) -every vote counts, and every vote is needed.
Good point on the nomenclature. I'm guilty of that.
We have all corrected someone for using the wrong term. It just steers the subject off the track. Let them use the wrong term as long as they are on your side.
are you gonna take your one issue and go vote for some asshole Republican?
"don't write us off, don't piss us off"
Who said guns make for a polite society?
DonP
(6,185 posts)Like in Colorado.
That "90% that want more gun control"? Didn't seem to want to be bothered to vote in the Colorado state senate recall elections, so we lost 2 seats and almost a third and control of the Senate, because gun control supporters sat around with their finger in their ... ear ... and didn't bother to vote. Even with Bloomberg outspending the NRA 5 to 1 they still couldn't be bothered.
"Who said guns make for a polite society?" That would be a science fiction author, that gun grabbers love to quote for some reason like it's scripture. I guess fiction just appeals more to them for some reason.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)but it doesn't matter, I get the honor of helping 2A Democrats all the time. A great benefit to Southern Country livin'.
Your idea of owning my vote is duly noted by the way
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)This might explain the significant upturn in female (as well as self-identified Democratic) gun-owners identified by Gallup in a 2012 survey. The writer's rationale for self-armament is not only plausible, but quite possibly measureable.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)(And add me to the list of liberal gun rights advocates/pro empirical evidence advocates.)