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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:19 PM Jan 2015

Rights, violence, trust and government

Government exists for the purpose of securing fundamental rights to those governed. It must be that civil authority exists above military and executive agencies. The will of the people being above government's authority by virtue of their vote in elections maintains that relationship. The second sentence in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence makes clear that the people's rights exist above government power.

Government responds to violence, aggression and various crimes by limiting the rights criminals by due process. In spite of recent events highlighting government's lack of respect for individual rights such as privacy (the NSA) and even the right to life (various local police departments) it is vital that everyone be accorded their basic rights and not be overly suspect in the exercise of those rights.

The validation of the people's trust in government is the respect for and protection of the rights of the people.

The RKBA is such a right, no more, no less than any other.

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Rights, violence, trust and government (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 OP
very well said Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #1
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #2
Rights of the collective undermines many Progressive victories. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #5
It's really quite clear in the Constitution... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #6
No No....don't be dumb. the 2A lets guns kill people. ileus Jan 2015 #3
The collective rights folks just seem... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2015 #4
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. very well said
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jan 2015

although some here that require a "safe haven" to limit rights of others to comment beg to differ on your point. They believe that people should not have the right to choose a firearm for hunting, sport or individual defense. I am glad I am on the other side.

I am sure some of them will be along shortly to exercise their right to comment here since this group and our host allows it and I think that is a good thing.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
2. Thanks
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

I'm not seeing why all of what I posted isn't self-evident.
The deliberate escape into a world of 'rights-for-the-collective-only' seems like just so much burying of heads.

Contorting ideas to fit some mangled belief system is fundamentally anti-freedom.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. Rights of the collective undermines many Progressive victories.
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jan 2015

Women's suffrage, marriage equality, desegregation among others would be subject to simple majority rule.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
6. It's really quite clear in the Constitution...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)

...the correctly limited actions of government are referred to as "Powers". It is also evident in the founding documents that free choices available to individuals are described as "Rights".

History champions the cause of those who've defended the rights of few against the will of the many.

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