Texas Senate approves bill to allow guns on college campuses

[Eugene]

Source: Reuters

[div class=excerpt"]Texas Senate approves bill to allow guns on college campuses

BY JON HERSKOVITZ
AUSTIN, Texas Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:35pm EDT

(Reuters) - The Texas Senate on Thursday approved a measure to allow licensed handguns on college campuses, part of a series of bills being considered that would expand gun rights.

Lawmakers in the Republican-dominated statehouse have made gun rights a top priority, a move analysts said indicates a harder turn to the right for the most populous state under Republican control.

In a vote along party lines, the state Senate approved the bill, which will be sent to the House.

"My concern is to expand freedom of the most trustworthy citizens to access property they as citizens of this state own," said Senator Brian Birdwell, a Republican sponsor of the legislation.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/19/us-usa-texas-guns-idUSKBN0MF1W120150319

[Politicalboi]

1. Do the schools have a voice in this madness?

I hope teachers strike over this shit. They shouldn't have to risk their lives to stupid yahoo's who tear apart hotel rooms or get angry over grades given.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

2. "They shouldn't have to risk their lives"

Seems drunk drivers would be a bigger risk. Maybe controllers should also stay off the roads until Prohibition is reinstated.

[stone space]

16. I don't allow alchohol (or cars!) in my claculus classes, either.

Why is it that nobody cries about that?

It's only the gun nutz here who start crying when I refuse to allow their precious gunz in my calculus classroom.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

35. You can't control what happens outside your classroom.

Drunk drivers can kill people heading to class just as they can kill people after class. Just like a rapist seldom strike *during* class preferring to prey upon their victims before or after class.

Assuming you care about that sort of thing.

It's only the gun nutz here who start crying when I refuse to allow their precious gunz in my calculus classroom.

You seem to hold a grossly exaggerated idea about your station. It's not your classroom. You didn't build it. You don't own it. It is a space provided to you by others. You have no right to pass it to another. When you leave the class your superiors outside your class will provided it to someone else. You have no right to structurally alter the space provided to you. You're just another employee and if you start interfering with the revenue stream through lost sales or invoking liabilities you'll learn real fast just how much of an underling you really are.

In mathematical terms --

The System, LLC > you

[DonP]

3. Private schools yes, public/state schools no

But perhaps you can tell us what would make a law abiding 21+ year old, that's already allowed to carry everywhere else, suddenly become a murderous threat when he/she crosses the street and walks on campus?

Better yet, a few examples of that being an issue in the states that have allowed this with no fanfare for years?

After all, you seem so stirred up about it, so there must be examples of the horror it creates, right?

[ManiacJoe]

4. The teachers are the ones who will be carrying.

Concealed carry has an age limit of 21. This rules out all the normal students except half of the senior class.

[stone space]

11. Many of my calculus students are over age 21.

Have you stepped foot on a university campus lately?

My calculus classes in particular have many, many students over 21, but only a single professor over 21.

I don't think that you really understand how college and university classes are structured.

[ManiacJoe]

47. Perhaps you did not read has carefully as you should have.

You seem to have missed the qualifiers used.

Yes, there are many undergrads that are over 21 who are not yet seniors. Nothing I wrote suggests otherwise.

[hack89]

5. Why wouldn't some teachers be carrying? Nt

[stone space]

12. How would arming myself against my students help me teach calculus? (nt)

[hack89]

15. I would suspect that some of the teachers at Va Tech would like the opportunity.

we understand your views on the issue. I just doubt you speak for all teachers.

[stone space]

17. I can tell you that I will NEVER allow gunz in my calculus classroom.

I teach calculus, not Gun Worshiping.

Keep your filthy religion out of my calculus class.

It doesn't belong there.

[hack89]

19. You assume you will know if someone is carrying a gun in your class

you can't tell right now. You won't be able to tell in the future.

[stone space]

22. Try me. You'll find your ass in jail...

...quicker than you can draw your weapon.

I'd kick you out of my calculus class in an instant if you tried to pull a stunt like that.

[hack89]

23. Not if it is legal. As far as I know teachers do not have arrest powers.

and exactly how will you tell? If a student had a 9mm in his backpack, how would you find it? Do you search every student every day?

[DonP]

30. Somebody has an issue with control and an active imagination n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

49. "You'll find your ass in jail...quicker than you can draw your weapon."

You really think cops are that quick to respond?

[pablo_marmol]

7. More hysteria with ZERO evidence to back it up. NT

[stone space]

10. I, for one, would NEVER allow gunz in my claculus class. (nt)

[blueridge3210]

14. Congratulations.

According to Websters, "gunz" does not exist. You are banning a non-existent item. You should enjoy great success in your endeavor.

[stone space]

20. Save it for your english class. I teach calculus, not spelling. (nt)

[blueridge3210]

21. Clearly. (nt)

[mwrguy]

51. you sure like saying the word 'calculus'

[Nuclear Unicorn]

53. "you sure like saying the word 'calculus'"

I'm think the correct spelling is "calculuz."

[blueridge3210]

54. *Snort*

That's funny, right there. I don't care who you are.

[Duckhunter935]

55. Good one

[Eleanors38]

62. Thought it was Claculuz, an obscure Roman emperor.

[DonP]

63. I'm sure Texas exempted all "Calculuz" Classrooms for Online Professors n/t

[oneshooter]

43. Do you have any LEO's in your classes?

If so then you probably have firearms present, and never knew it. Would you kick them out of your class. By law most are required to be armed at all times.

[petronius]

6. Sounds right to me. Qualified persons (whether students or faculty) should have

the same rights and responsibilities on a public campus as they do off. I don't see campuses as the sort of public space that should be treated differently in this regard...

[stone space]

13. Uh...no...you can't bring gunz into my calculus class. (nt)

[blueridge3210]

24. So, as a hypothetical,

suppose the state legislature passes a law requiring those with CCL permits to carry on university property and the University Regents establish policy that this will be allowed. What do you do then?

[stone space]

25. Why would you even want to invade my calculus clasroom with your gunz?

Are you really that evil?

[blueridge3210]

26. Cannot answer the question?

Perhaps I have a crazy ex-stalker. Perhaps I do business that requires me carry cash and I go straight to work from class and cannot stop off before then. The question is pretty simple. If state law allows weapons and University policy does as well, what do you do?

[stone space]

27. I don't care about your excuses.

Perhaps I have a crazy ex-stalker. Perhaps I do business that requires me carry cash and I go straight to work from class and cannot stop off before then.

Still not a justification for an armed invasion of my calculus classroom.

[blueridge3210]

28. Cannot answer the question.

Got it. Thanks.

[stone space]

29. Would you really do something as evil as...

...invading a calculus classroom with a gun ?

[blueridge3210]

31. Still won't answer the question.

Got it. Thanks, again.

[stone space]

32. That's not an answer. (nt)

[blueridge3210]

34. I asked my question first, friend.

Thanks.

[GGJohn]

33. If it was legal in your state and the college allowed it,

you're damned right I would and there would be NOTHING you could do about it short of you resigning to avoid firearms in your classroom.

[stone space]

36. You'd actually invade my calculus classroom with a gun?

Seriously?

I can't believe that you are really that evil.

[GGJohn]

38. Yes I would,

but here's the thing, you would never know I was carrying, even if you did, there's NOTHING you can do about it.
If you tried, you would be the evil one trying to violate my civil rights and I would sue the pants off of you.

[stone space]

39. Why are you so evil? (nt)

[blueridge3210]

40. Why is it evil?

I've carried a firearm for over 20 years; to elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, churches, voting precincts etc. To date no one has been harmed. What makes carrying a firearm evil?

Oh, that's right. You don't answer questions.

[GGJohn]

41. I'm not evil, that's just your opinion, which means squat to me. eom.

[blueridge3210]

42. Hmm.....no reply to repeated inquiries.

Must be shy.

[oneshooter]

44. True that, or he could be shaking so bad he can't type.

[blueridge3210]

45. Well, it has been a cool Spring.

Shivering can prevent typing well.

[Duckhunter935]

46. I have seen that happen

By a few like him tha refuse to answer simple questions.

[Straw Man]

59. Evil?

I sit in faculty meetings with armed teachers regularly. They teach in the Criminal Justice program, and are a mix of retired and active police officers. Some carry concealed and some openly. I never feel threatened in any way. It's very hard to get a CCW in my state, so I would feel just as comfortable with any licensed carrier in the room.

Would you allow them in your "calculuz" classroom if they wished to enter it?

[beevul]

61. Only to the same degree you'd invade...

Only to the same degree you'd invade our government with anti-gun nonsense.

[Straw Man]

57. There's a huge difference ...

Would you really do something as evil as...

...invading a calculus classroom with a gun ?

Between carrying a concealed weapon and "invading a classroom." I know that you teach calculus rather than English, but I suggest that you look up "hyperbole."

[sarisataka]

48. You would force a person

Who has obtained a permit to carry for protection from a dangerous stalker to go unarmed for an extended time (Pretty much the whole time on campus or more unless you are installing gun lockers at the door) rather than allow them to carry their weapon.

So you value your personal safety over a perceived threat to another's safety of an actual verified threat?

[pablo_marmol]

8. History has demonstrated that this is a total non-issue.

http://concealedcampus.org/common-arguments/

[Duckhunter935]

9. Good for them

People who are qualified, trained and over 21 should be able to carry a weapon.

[stone space]

18. Not in my clasroom, they can't.

I teach calculus, not Gun Worship.

[Hangingon]

37. The Texas Senate passed a bill which will levy fines on government entities which post signs

Which prohibit CHLs from exercising their right to carry. First offense is $1,500 and then up to $10,000.

[pablo_marmol]

50. What a pity that you can't enforce your irrational hatred.......

.........since you won't know who's carrying and whose not.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

52. Just out of curiosity, could you ban from your class --

A Christian who insists on wearing a crucifix or Jewish student who wears a kippah or a Muslim student wearing a head covering?

[Electric Monk]

56. But I thought gunthusiasm wasn't a religion. Now you're admitting it is? lol nt

[blueridge3210]

58. No.

That's just you making things up again.

[GGJohn]

60. Really stretched reaching for that one didn't you.