Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations

[GGJohn]

http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-administration-proposes-sweeping-gun-regulations-1945483

For some strange reason, I can't copy and paste the gist of the article, but you can click on the link and read it for yourself.

[Duckhunter935]

1. Here you go, Copied from EM's post in bansalot

Both of his LBN posts were locked due to him failing to follow the SOP in Latest Breaking News. He did post it in the other group though.

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration will propose sweeping regulations on gun ownership aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of those convicted of domestic violence and the mentally ill. It’s a move that is likely to set off a firestorm of criticism and opposition from gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association (NRA) and Gun Owners Of America (GOA) who argue such regulations would keep guns from people who are not dangerous and pose no risk of violence.

(snip)

The proposed rules would prohibit ownership of a gun by someone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor domestic violence crime. The rules would also prohibit the mentally ill from owning guns. Another regulation would impose requirements about gun storage. And the Department of Justice through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives would regulate high-powered pistols, a controversial move since attempts to place restrictions on handguns have drawn intense opposition.

Groups pushing for changes to the nation’s gun laws have long called for stricter rules about the ability of domestic violence convicts to obtain and keep guns. Curbing access to guns, they argue, will result in a decrease of homicides in domestic violence cases.

http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-administration-proposes-sweeping-gun-regulations-1945483

Interesting as it is already against federal law as far as I can tell.

Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment" ("Gun Ban for Individuals Convicted of a Misdemeanor Crime of Domestic Violence", Pub.L. 104–208,[1] 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9)[2]) is an amendment to the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 enacted by the 104th United States Congress in 1996, which bans access to firearms by people convicted of crimes of domestic violence. The act is often referred to as "the Lautenberg Amendment" after its sponsor, Senator Frank Lautenberg (D - NJ).

The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse that falls within the criteria set by 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8). The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.

The definition of 'convicted' can be found in the chapter 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(33)(B)(ii) and has exceptions:

(33) (B)
(i) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter, unless—
(I) the person was represented by counsel in the case, or knowingly and intelligently waived the right to counsel in the case; and
(II) in the case of a prosecution for an offense described in this paragraph for which a person was entitled to a jury trial in the jurisdiction in which the case was tried, either
(aa) the case was tried by a jury, or
(bb) the person knowingly and intelligently waived the right to have the case tried by a jury, by guilty plea or otherwise.
(ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms.

[GGJohn]

2. Thanks much.

Usually I can highlight the paragraphs, hit Control-C, go to where I want it, hit Control-V, and it posts, but in this case, it just wouldn't cooperate.

Anyways, EM said he was waiting for one of us "gunthusiasts" to post it without using a Breitbart or Fox source, so I did it without the snarky comments usual to their side of the issue.

[Duckhunter935]

3. No problem it happens

Curious if he will venture over here. He asked for someone to post it in GD. I think the gun related groups are a better fit. This group at least will allow all viewpoints 😀

[Electric Monk]

8. Here are those links so readers can see how normal, non-gun-obsessed DUers feel about it

Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:53 AM - Edit history (1)

GCRA

Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations



LBN

Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations

NRA unhappy with Obama over new rules to keep guns out of hands of mentally ill, domestic abusers


edit: I almost forgot
General Discussion (20 recs and counting)
Obama Administration Proposes Sweeping Gun Regulations

[Duckhunter935]

15. Gee EM you linked to two that are locked

due to you not being able to follow the group SOP. Kind of embarrassing as you so strictly enforce yours beyond even what it states.

Don't you think?

[Electric Monk]

20. Locked on a technicality, and threads get locked in LBN all the time. It happens.

It got more exposure there than it would have otherwise, which is why you tried so hard to get them locked, because guns.
(and you know that's true)

[beevul]

21. "Locked on a technicality" is only one letter away from "Blocked on a technicality"...

You'll do the latter to others because guns (and you know that's true) but when the former happens to you, that's different, and its time to 'point the finger while pretending that the rules really aren't the rules'.


Comic fuckin relief, right there.

[Electric Monk]

22. So the news was 18 hours old, or maybe 20. It's still news. Someone shoulda posted it sooner. nt

[Duckhunter935]

24. And it was still an SOP violation

Correct?

[Duckhunter935]

23. I only requested and recieved one lock

And it was not a technicality. You failed to follow the SOP and if you were held to the same standard as you enforce as a host, you would have been blocked from that group. I would think that as a host that enforces SOP violations, you would read and adhere to them yourself.

[Electric Monk]

25. LBN is a Forum, not a Group, or a Safe Haven Group, for that matter. Nobody is blocked from LBN. nt

[Duckhunter935]

27. Cool

[Malraiders]

26. So Domestic violence by cops is twice the national average nt

[gejohnston]

4. what is the definition of "mentally ill"?

The most sweeping thing is likely having AR and AK "pistols" reclassified as "AOW" under the NFA.

[GGJohn]

5. That's my main concern,

what will be the definition of mentally ill?

[Duckhunter935]

6. Very true

[Cayenne]

7. Republicans are all mentally ill

[ileus]

18. As you know to many, anyone wanting to own firearms or protect their family is mentally ill.

[Electric Monk]

9. Posted without comment? I thought you guys hated it when SecularMotion (or others) did that

Please, tell us how you really feel about it. Or are you afraid if you honestly did so then the DU admins would toss you out on your ass?

[GGJohn]

10. Why, EM, I didn't know you cared so much.

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. Be nice, if he wants an audience that won't fit into a minivan he has to post here...

He's like Sheryl Crow's friend in "Soak Up The Sun"...

[ileus]

17. Looks like they may be back to the oldest trick in the book.

One trolls another sets the hook.

Used to be a real common technique here when the banner from Canada was around.

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. Still trying to run DU, I see

Are you Pinky, or The Brain?

It appears

Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment

has devolved into middle-school level heckling of opponents...

[Electric Monk]

28. Another gunthusiast not commenting on the news, but trying to make it about me instead. Classy.

has devolved into middle-school level heckling of opponents...

And your post was....?

[GGJohn]

29. And yet, here you are again.

I see you still haven't reined in certain posters in your group, you're still letting the insults rule supreme, yet you have to come here to get an honest and robust debate.

[friendly_iconoclast]

31. Well, I wanted GC&RKBA to feel like home to you...

[GGJohn]

32. Well, he does spend more time here than in the group he hosts.

Says something about the level of intellectual discussion over there.

[friendly_iconoclast]

34. Want commentary on the news? OK; once again, you lot are being conned by the White House

The two links in post #19, and my comments in post #30 after doing a little research
at those two links pretty much sum it up...

[GGJohn]

35. You posted this to yourself, did you mean it for EM? eom.

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. Yes, I replied to the wrong post

[Duckhunter935]

14. depends on the poster

the one you talk about spammed this group with multiple hundreds like that and you know it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=21&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=22&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=23&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=24&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=25&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=26&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=27&sort=author
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172&page=28&sort=author

Not even a close comparison

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

19. My only comment:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=swhc+stock+price

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=rgr+stock

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. Wow, the Obama administration sure has been good for Smith & Wesson and Ruger

All those fine words for gun controllers have worked nicely- for gun makers

Smith & Wesson Holding went from $2.56 a share in January 2009 to $15.12 at closing today

Sturm, Ruger went from $6.49 a share to $54.56 today

Maybe if some more empty threats are made SWHC and RGR can hit a 1000% increase
in stock valuation since Obama took office...

[GGJohn]

33. I have no problem with voicing my opinion, why do you have a problem with my not

posting any comment?

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. The desire to control is a powerful one, and those in the thrall of it tend to get a little itchy...

...when they see something that they believe requires their attention

The short version: Controllers gotta control...

[Duckhunter935]

38. trying to host a group

he is not a host in. Does not work fortunately.

[petronius]

12. "Sweeping" seems like an exaggeration - as far as I can tell, little if anything

has been proposed, and little is known of what the DOJ intends to propose.

BumRushDaShow posted a link ( ) that I think does a good job of describing what's out there so far; it looks like all this is based on some entries in the Unified Agenda listing some temporary rules that the DOJ means to make permanent, and some other areas in which the DOJ intends to make some unspecified proposals.

Perhaps it's just that I don't understand this stuff, but as I look at the threads on this topic so far it appears that everyone is just waving their team flags before the game has even been scheduled...

[ileus]

16. Giving the people what they're too dumb to know they need.