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GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:22 PM Jun 2015

Smoke shop clerk shoots, kills masked robber (Texas)

HOUSTON (KTRK) --A local store clerk fought back and now a would-be crook is dead. His accomplices are on the run.

Armed with guns and wearing masks, police say three men tried to hold up a smoke shop on Antoine early Tuesday morning. What they didn't know is the clerk was also armed. What felt like an eternity, in reality took no more than thirty seconds.

"They pulled in. They made a U-turn and they parked right there and he heard them yelling, 'Go, go, go,'" said the store owner, who didn't want to be identified. "When they opened the door, they had their mask on and everything." Armed and masked, the three suspects stormed their way in to the Happy Daze shop around 10pm. The store owner told us what happened when his clerk came face to face with the gunmen. "He kind of had the instinct of what to do what was going on," said the shop owner.

He says his clerk immediately reached for his pistol as the gunmen went in. One of the men then pointed his weapon at the clerk, who in turn fired three shots. "They ran in. They stepped two yards into the store and he discharged his weapon hitting the guy, And the guy stumbled out," the store owner added. Harris County deputies say the injured suspect collapsed in the parking lot as he attempted to get in the getaway car. He died on the scene.

Hours later, the owner was left picking up the pieces of a window shattered by bullets, relieved neither his clerk or his customers were injured in the ordeal, but frustrated, too, saying the suspects should have never tried to take the easy way out. "We hate to see any of that happen. We are just out here trying to make a living and it sucks when somebody comes and tries to take it from you when you are out here working for it," he said.


http://abc13.com/news/store-clerk-shoots-kills-masked-robber/762114/

I have it on good authority that this doesn't happen, according to Shannon Watts, DGU's don't ever happen.
When your aware of what's going on, the chance of a successfully defending ones self increases exponentially.
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Smoke shop clerk shoots, kills masked robber (Texas) (Original Post) GGJohn Jun 2015 OP
that never could have happened Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #1
Man fatally shoots girlfriend in Lakewood Electric Monk Jun 2015 #2
You constantly complain about sticking to the topic. GGJohn Jun 2015 #5
I thought the topic was DGUs vs Non-D-GUs. Non-D-GUs are much more frequent. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #8
You sure you want to get into this pissing contest? GGJohn Jun 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Jun 2015 #12
No, the OP was about DGU and how we are told they never happen Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #16
Bazinga! Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #14
FL man shoots teen brother after mistaking for intruder Electric Monk Jun 2015 #3
Always ID your target. ileus Jun 2015 #20
Man Shoots, Kills Wife in Scripps Ranch Parking Lot Electric Monk Jun 2015 #4
Don't shoot your wife, unless she's attacking you. ileus Jun 2015 #22
Man shoots himself in leg in Vermont accident Electric Monk Jun 2015 #6
Hypocrisy much? GGJohn Jun 2015 #7
If I posted each in a seperate thread you'd accuse me of "news dumping" or such. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #9
And, again, you would be wrong. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #11
The anecdotes of gun crimes/negligence are the GC version of abortion photos friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #13
only if you do like the other host of your group Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #15
Ah, "Guns in the News" version 8.0 DonP Jun 2015 #21
I feel it is easy for EM Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #25
Why not post links to stories about drunk drivers and alcohol fueled domestic violence? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #18
Put down those "safe action" semis and buy a nice hammer fired pistol instead. ileus Jun 2015 #23
I find it both amusing and pathetic Shamash Jun 2015 #17
This is why as a party we need to support a progressive 2A agenda. ileus Jun 2015 #19
That only works if people understand that "progressive" does -not- mean "loves to ban stuff" Shamash Jun 2015 #24
Good story HassleCat Jun 2015 #26
you know what happens even more frequently? gejohnston Jun 2015 #27
Jeez My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #29
meth is like alcohol, gejohnston Jun 2015 #30
That still doesn't convince me that My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #34
self defense isn't punishment gejohnston Jun 2015 #35
You were speculating that the nephew was "robbing" not attacking My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #36
the one actual case that I am aware of gejohnston Jun 2015 #37
Robbery blueridge3210 Jun 2015 #42
Do you happen to have data to support "just as frequently?" Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #28
Bet it is none Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #32
Of course there's none- it's another example of 'colonism' from the gun-averse friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #33
I don't need a source HassleCat Jun 2015 #40
"I don't need a source" IOW: "I just made it up" A classic example of 'colonism' friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #41
"I don't need a source. I used to belong to the NRA." pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #43
Just as frequently? GGJohn Jun 2015 #38
Run away, run away, run away.... Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #39
These high-risk robberies sound like juice initiation rituals... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #31
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. that never could have happened
Sun Jun 7, 2015, 11:26 PM
Jun 2015

been told many times those are just made up and staged by the NRA for some kind of "talking point"

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
10. You sure you want to get into this pissing contest?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jun 2015

I can post video after video, story after story of successful DGU's if that's the road you want to go down.

Response to GGJohn (Reply #10)

ileus

(15,396 posts)
22. Don't shoot your wife, unless she's attacking you.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

I didn't read this one, but there's probably only a slim chance she should have been shot.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. Hypocrisy much?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jun 2015

You constantly complain about sticking to the topic, how about practicing what you preach?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
13. The anecdotes of gun crimes/negligence are the GC version of abortion photos
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jun 2015

Different subject, same mindset...

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
15. only if you do like the other host of your group
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:57 AM
Jun 2015

posted around a thousand articles with no comment. Actually more like spamming this group. Post and comment, that is what we like over in this group, unlike your group that banned a person for a self-delete, how fucking funny is that!

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
21. Ah, "Guns in the News" version 8.0
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jun 2015

It's been done by others more than once ... and better too.

Never amounts to anything but embarrassment and eventually banishment for the posters when they lose it and start ranting.

Hey, here's a better idea, why don't you just close up Castle Bansalot for the Summer, since you spend all your time here anyway, and you can devote more time and "activism" energy to stirring the pot in other people's groups?

Give your "broad base" of gun control supporters some time off.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
25. I feel it is easy for EM
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

To monitor the one regular poster he has in that nearly dead group. He comes over here just trying to get a hide, I think.

 

Shamash

(597 posts)
17. I find it both amusing and pathetic
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:25 AM
Jun 2015

that the most frequent response to stories like this is not an appreciation that potential victims are alive and unhurt, but that someone else was hurt in a completely unrelated incident. They cannot actually criticize the good thing without looking like sociopaths, but they cannot bear to sit idly by, so they find something awful to smear it with by association.

For comparison, take any case where a woman has an abortion with no problems and complications, and then have some idiot troll append lots of abortion clinic horror stories (say the Kermit Gosnell case). Hmmm, a person exercising a right and benefiting from it, crapped on by a followup of criminal conduct by someone else.

That should give you an idea of the weasels gnawing on that person's brain, and an attitude that inspires bystanders to say "who are they voting for, because I think I want to vote for someone else".

Speaking of which, exit polling in the 2014 Colorado elections for US Senate showed that 20% of all voters voted for the Republican challenger to incumbent Mark Udall(D-CO) not because they thought the Republican was a better candidate, but in opposition to recently passed Democratic-led gun control initiatives. Udall lost this election by 2% (he won his previous election by 10%). Colorado voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012 and is considered a "blue" state.

Gabrielle Giffords' old House of Representatives seat was lost to a Republican in 2014 as well. By less than 200 votes. In a Democrat-leaning district. Where the incumbent was one of the people injured in the Giffords shooting.

Hostile and idiotic gun control advocacy costs Democrats elections. Keep up the good work...

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
26. Good story
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jun 2015

And it happens all the time. Know what else happens, just as frequently? Someone opens fire on an intruder, then looks at the dead body and says, "Gosh, that sure looks like my nephew."

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
27. you know what happens even more frequently?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jun 2015

The nephew being a meth head that robbed several other places and molested the cousin that lived there.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
29. Jeez
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jun 2015

If you were a good uncle or aunt, you woulda got your nephew some rehab before you shot him dead. It's going to make for some awkward family reunions.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
30. meth is like alcohol,
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jun 2015

the nephew would have to want it first. Of course, any aunt and uncle would try to get them to rehab before they get violent. However, there are no guarantees.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
34. That still doesn't convince me that
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

the correct punishment for drug addiction is death at the hands of a distant relation choosing to serve as judge, jury and executioner.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
35. self defense isn't punishment
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jun 2015

While it isn't the correct punishment for the State (or anyone else), the distant relative has no obligation to be robbed and possibly killed or suffer grave bodily injury at the hands of an addict regardless of who it might be.
I'm not convinced that those who can't distinguish the difference between self defense and vigilantism can intelligently discuss the issue.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
36. You were speculating that the nephew was "robbing" not attacking
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jun 2015

so you would destroy your own family over a property dispute. Someone who puts the value of property over the value of a life is not someone I would expect to "intelligently discuss" any issue with, either.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
37. the one actual case that I am aware of
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:24 PM
Jun 2015

there was no speculating, it was a violent attack. Perhaps we are talking about different cases. Property dispute? Home invasion or burglary isn't a "property dispute", it isn't a serious crime, he would go to prison. He he can do it to family, he can do it to others. Just being "family" does not give him the right to steal from others to feed his habit.
If Josh Dugger were my son or brother, he would be in prison.

 

blueridge3210

(1,401 posts)
42. Robbery
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jun 2015

Is the theft of property belonging to another while in their presence. It is usually regarded as a violent crime due to the potential for injury to the victim of the crime. It is far more serious than a "property dispute".

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
28. Do you happen to have data to support "just as frequently?"
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

There are conservative estimates of a few hundred thousand incidents of defensive use-of-gun each year; some estimates have the figure much higher.

According to your statement, there should be a corresponding number of people shot in error. What sources do you have?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
33. Of course there's none- it's another example of 'colonism' from the gun-averse
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jun 2015

For those unfamiliar:

"Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He’d been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands To Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In The Pub Told Me."

Terry Pratchett, Jingo.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
41. "I don't need a source" IOW: "I just made it up" A classic example of 'colonism'
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jun 2015
"Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He’d been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands To Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In The Pub Told Me."

Terry Pratchett, Jingo



Truly worthy of of the "Just looking for input" thread:

What are your nominations for words or phrases used by the pro-control side?



http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858

And so it shall be...

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
43. "I don't need a source. I used to belong to the NRA."
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jun 2015

Well now THERE'S a brilliant, logic-bound argument! "I don't need no steeeenking facts.......I used to belong to the NRA, so I learned how to make stuff up."

And The Controllers can't figure out why they're getting the stuffing knocked out of them!
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
31. These high-risk robberies sound like juice initiation rituals...
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jun 2015

Holding up shops where increasingly the proprietors are well-armed, and where the prospect of cash (can you say debit?) and valuable goods (fragile pipes, bongs, cutesy postcards?) are rather dim. But a HyperPunk® may be looking for the thrill and bragging rights. Maybe when the other two are convicted of felony murder they can brag about how their buddy was ventilated. From a small cage, for a long time.

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