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Related: About this forumSmoke shop clerk shoots, kills masked robber (Texas)
HOUSTON (KTRK) --A local store clerk fought back and now a would-be crook is dead. His accomplices are on the run.
"They pulled in. They made a U-turn and they parked right there and he heard them yelling, 'Go, go, go,'" said the store owner, who didn't want to be identified. "When they opened the door, they had their mask on and everything." Armed and masked, the three suspects stormed their way in to the Happy Daze shop around 10pm. The store owner told us what happened when his clerk came face to face with the gunmen. "He kind of had the instinct of what to do what was going on," said the shop owner.
He says his clerk immediately reached for his pistol as the gunmen went in. One of the men then pointed his weapon at the clerk, who in turn fired three shots. "They ran in. They stepped two yards into the store and he discharged his weapon hitting the guy, And the guy stumbled out," the store owner added. Harris County deputies say the injured suspect collapsed in the parking lot as he attempted to get in the getaway car. He died on the scene.
Hours later, the owner was left picking up the pieces of a window shattered by bullets, relieved neither his clerk or his customers were injured in the ordeal, but frustrated, too, saying the suspects should have never tried to take the easy way out. "We hate to see any of that happen. We are just out here trying to make a living and it sucks when somebody comes and tries to take it from you when you are out here working for it," he said.
http://abc13.com/news/store-clerk-shoots-kills-masked-robber/762114/
I have it on good authority that this doesn't happen, according to Shannon Watts, DGU's don't ever happen.
When your aware of what's going on, the chance of a successfully defending ones self increases exponentially.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)been told many times those are just made up and staged by the NRA for some kind of "talking point"
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Practice what you preach.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I can post video after video, story after story of successful DGU's if that's the road you want to go down.
Response to GGJohn (Reply #10)
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Please stay on topic, lol
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Ouch, that's got to hurt
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I didn't read this one, but there's probably only a slim chance she should have been shot.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)(and these are all recent)
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You constantly complain about sticking to the topic, how about practicing what you preach?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Different subject, same mindset...
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)posted around a thousand articles with no comment. Actually more like spamming this group. Post and comment, that is what we like over in this group, unlike your group that banned a person for a self-delete, how fucking funny is that!
DonP
(6,185 posts)It's been done by others more than once ... and better too.
Never amounts to anything but embarrassment and eventually banishment for the posters when they lose it and start ranting.
Hey, here's a better idea, why don't you just close up Castle Bansalot for the Summer, since you spend all your time here anyway, and you can devote more time and "activism" energy to stirring the pot in other people's groups?
Give your "broad base" of gun control supporters some time off.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)To monitor the one regular poster he has in that nearly dead group. He comes over here just trying to get a hide, I think.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)that the most frequent response to stories like this is not an appreciation that potential victims are alive and unhurt, but that someone else was hurt in a completely unrelated incident. They cannot actually criticize the good thing without looking like sociopaths, but they cannot bear to sit idly by, so they find something awful to smear it with by association.
For comparison, take any case where a woman has an abortion with no problems and complications, and then have some idiot troll append lots of abortion clinic horror stories (say the Kermit Gosnell case). Hmmm, a person exercising a right and benefiting from it, crapped on by a followup of criminal conduct by someone else.
That should give you an idea of the weasels gnawing on that person's brain, and an attitude that inspires bystanders to say "who are they voting for, because I think I want to vote for someone else".
Speaking of which, exit polling in the 2014 Colorado elections for US Senate showed that 20% of all voters voted for the Republican challenger to incumbent Mark Udall(D-CO) not because they thought the Republican was a better candidate, but in opposition to recently passed Democratic-led gun control initiatives. Udall lost this election by 2% (he won his previous election by 10%). Colorado voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012 and is considered a "blue" state.
Gabrielle Giffords' old House of Representatives seat was lost to a Republican in 2014 as well. By less than 200 votes. In a Democrat-leaning district. Where the incumbent was one of the people injured in the Giffords shooting.
Hostile and idiotic gun control advocacy costs Democrats elections. Keep up the good work...
ileus
(15,396 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)And it happens all the time. Know what else happens, just as frequently? Someone opens fire on an intruder, then looks at the dead body and says, "Gosh, that sure looks like my nephew."
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)The nephew being a meth head that robbed several other places and molested the cousin that lived there.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)If you were a good uncle or aunt, you woulda got your nephew some rehab before you shot him dead. It's going to make for some awkward family reunions.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the nephew would have to want it first. Of course, any aunt and uncle would try to get them to rehab before they get violent. However, there are no guarantees.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)the correct punishment for drug addiction is death at the hands of a distant relation choosing to serve as judge, jury and executioner.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)While it isn't the correct punishment for the State (or anyone else), the distant relative has no obligation to be robbed and possibly killed or suffer grave bodily injury at the hands of an addict regardless of who it might be.
I'm not convinced that those who can't distinguish the difference between self defense and vigilantism can intelligently discuss the issue.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)so you would destroy your own family over a property dispute. Someone who puts the value of property over the value of a life is not someone I would expect to "intelligently discuss" any issue with, either.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)there was no speculating, it was a violent attack. Perhaps we are talking about different cases. Property dispute? Home invasion or burglary isn't a "property dispute", it isn't a serious crime, he would go to prison. He he can do it to family, he can do it to others. Just being "family" does not give him the right to steal from others to feed his habit.
If Josh Dugger were my son or brother, he would be in prison.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Is the theft of property belonging to another while in their presence. It is usually regarded as a violent crime due to the potential for injury to the victim of the crime. It is far more serious than a "property dispute".
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)There are conservative estimates of a few hundred thousand incidents of defensive use-of-gun each year; some estimates have the figure much higher.
According to your statement, there should be a corresponding number of people shot in error. What sources do you have?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)For those unfamiliar:
Terry Pratchett, Jingo.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I used to belong to the NRA, so I learned how to make stuff up.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Terry Pratchett, Jingo
Truly worthy of of the "Just looking for input" thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11729858
And so it shall be...
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Well now THERE'S a brilliant, logic-bound argument! "I don't need no steeeenking facts.......I used to belong to the NRA, so I learned how to make stuff up."
And The Controllers can't figure out why they're getting the stuffing knocked out of them!
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)How about links proving it?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Holding up shops where increasingly the proprietors are well-armed, and where the prospect of cash (can you say debit?) and valuable goods (fragile pipes, bongs, cutesy postcards?) are rather dim. But a HyperPunk® may be looking for the thrill and bragging rights. Maybe when the other two are convicted of felony murder they can brag about how their buddy was ventilated. From a small cage, for a long time.