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how to talk productively on guns (Original Post) gejohnston Dec 2015 OP
First step- Don't sound like this: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #1
comedy gold Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #11
Some Democrats seem determined to match the stupid shit said about guns by Republicans... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #12
Some ARE determined, if for no other reason than a belief in winning at the GOPers game.... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #25
Multi-automatic rounds? I know what she means ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #15
Somebody needs to tell Rep. Sanchez that Sarah Palin is not a person to emulate... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #19
Don't forget 'ghost gun guy'. beevul Dec 2015 #21
another classic Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #24
Her expression. It's disturbing. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #28
Ignore the guns nuts SecularMotion Dec 2015 #2
Do you really mean that? I somehow doubt it. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #3
Enjoy your stay SecularMotion Dec 2015 #4
See, despite what most people say gun control supporters can be polite. DonP Dec 2015 #5
SecMo is just sore because of gun control failure after failure. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #16
Yeah, they do have a pretty pathetic track record DonP Dec 2015 #17
I will. I assume the connotation Kang Colby Dec 2015 #6
No need to waste you time.. virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #14
Sorry to say Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #7
"(Y)ou are not the host HERE" Thank you! Those with overinflated senses of self-importance need... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #9
he keeps slipping Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #10
Your political goals are keeping the South Republican krispos42 Dec 2015 #8
".....what did you get again?" DonP Dec 2015 #13
Well, it last's longer if it's unfounded. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #26
thanks for proving his point gejohnston Dec 2015 #18
Don't propose ignoring the Fourth Amendment while trying to eliminate the Second: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #20
Second Amendment hatred seems gateway sarisataka Dec 2015 #22
I think it's the other way around DonP Dec 2015 #23
It helps the dialogue. deathrind Dec 2015 #27
 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
12. Some Democrats seem determined to match the stupid shit said about guns by Republicans...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:38 AM
Dec 2015

...by spouting some stupid shit of their own. And they seem to have a knack for finding a camera to say it into...

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
25. Some ARE determined, if for no other reason than a belief in winning at the GOPers game....
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

...trouble is, the GOPers defined the game and have been at it a long time. It's another squirting contest with a skunk: you'll lose.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
19. Somebody needs to tell Rep. Sanchez that Sarah Palin is not a person to emulate...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:35 AM - Edit history (2)

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
3. Do you really mean that? I somehow doubt it.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:08 PM
Dec 2015

Day in and day out, here you are promoting your cause, tirelessly, ran or shine. I can respect that. I just ask that you consider the opposing view point for a moment. I admit, I've posted some harsh criticism of gun control advocates and I apologize for that. I'm willing to have an honest dialogue about guns. I admit I don't have it all figured out. But the stuff that gets posted about gun owners around here is over the top and comical. You can't have a meaningful discussion if folks just want to ban users, hide posts, or mock.

Look at the state of these gun focused discussion forums for a moment. The broader DU community has basically sent us to our respective rooms so we won't interrupt the others. GCRA has very little activity, and this forum doesn't have much more. Perhaps we as a group are doing something wrong. We aren't going to go out to GD and win hearts and minds if GC&RKBA and GCRA can't even talk to each other without name calling, memes, and hysterics.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
17. Yeah, they do have a pretty pathetic track record
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015

The thing that I marvel at is how they actually seem angry that violent crime is at a 40 year low and try to find ways to deny that as a fact.

Totally F's up their narrative, not to mention their fund raising.

Or how many of them (see pretty much any GD Gun related post from the past few weeks) seem perfectly willing to drive out the 30% of Dems that are "ammosexual gun humpers" for their flavor of "purity"? That'll win us a lot of elections

Really seems they'd rather have the issue to whine and feel morally superior about, than actually do anything to address the problems.

Oh well, what they want or think doesn't really matter, as long as legislatures and courts keep voting and ruling the way we like.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
6. I will. I assume the connotation
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:28 PM
Dec 2015

with "enjoy your stay" means you think I deserve to be banned from DU or that I'm a sock puppet or a Republican who spends his time trolling DU. That's just not true. I would venture a guess that nearly a third of Democrats just aren't supportive of gun control in a general sense let alone in absolute terms.



virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
14. No need to waste you time..
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:16 AM
Dec 2015

As I have said, and there behavior shows that they wish to dictate terms, not converse

So, we should treat them as such, their minds are already made up, and they are closed for any other viewpoint. Let's treat them the way they try to treat us, with utter contempt, with the exception of continually pointing out just how weak their arguments are, and how poorly briefed they are on the subject at hand. So let the conversation leave them behind, in the rear view mirror, with only Bloomberg's 1%er money keeping them "sort of" relevant as his sock puppets.

Enough guns were sold on Black Friday to more than outfit a World War Two era Army in the field. And they continue to talk about "tipping points"..

But they never say which way it is tipping..

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
9. "(Y)ou are not the host HERE" Thank you! Those with overinflated senses of self-importance need...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:22 AM
Dec 2015

...to be reminded of their true place in the world on a regular basis.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
10. he keeps slipping
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:26 AM
Dec 2015

He tried that Crap before, just thought he might need to be reminded again. Even his drive by Google dumps are getting more lame if that is possible. New Zealand,

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
8. Your political goals are keeping the South Republican
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:12 AM
Dec 2015

And your side has managed to triple domestic gun production and double gun imports.

But I guess it's worth it to get.....



....um......




.....what did you get again?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
20. Don't propose ignoring the Fourth Amendment while trying to eliminate the Second:
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141288881#post20

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:16 PM

Humanist_Activist (5,422 posts)
20. So would random home inspections be allowed, or is everything you propose just hot air?

You can train people and encourage or require the purchase of safes and trigger locks, but unless you have ways to follow up, such as by requiring renewal of a firearm possession license, along with home inspection and safety reviews, it really wouldn't change much, would it?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141288881#post21

That's true, and a good reason to repeal the 2nd amendment....

I don't understand how what amounts to a dangerous hobby can be constitutionally protected in this day and age. You don't need a gun in this society, and those who possess firearms are far more dangerous to themselves and everyone around them, law abiding or not.


sarisataka

(18,220 posts)
22. Second Amendment hatred seems gateway
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:43 PM
Dec 2015

to ignoring other Amendments.

Along with the proposals to ignore/remove the Second I see people proposing to do away with, in whole or part, The 1st (speech), 3rd (anachronistic), 4th (search, seizure and Warrants) and 5th (due process, deprived of life, property). The Sixth, Ninth and Tenth are a bit shady as well, depending on the specifics of some proposals.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
23. I think it's the other way around
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:30 PM
Dec 2015

Ignoring any existing law is OK ... as long as it let's them tell gun owners what they can and can't do.

Warrant free search and seizure, 5th amendment, Habeas corpus, free speech, speeding in a school zone, tearing those tags off mattresses and/or pillows; anything it takes to get one gun away from one ammosexual gun humper, because ... if it saves just one life...

As long as they don't have to actually do anything themselves, like reach for their checkbooks or take some vacation time to meet with legislators.

Other than that anything they can do from a keyboard and they might be in, if nothing good is on TV.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
27. It helps the dialogue.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:59 PM
Dec 2015

For starters if...

You speak with respect.
Keep emotions out of the conversation.
Stick to facts (don't make stuff up).
Have viable solutions.

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