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Mon Dec 14, 2015, 09:36 PM

how to talk productively on guns

Interesting read. Basically, it boils down to culture war.
https://popehat.com/2015/12/07/talking-productively-about-guns/

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Reply how to talk productively on guns (Original post)
gejohnston Dec 2015 OP
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #1
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #11
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #12
Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #25
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #15
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #19
beevul Dec 2015 #21
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #24
Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #28
SecularMotion Dec 2015 #2
Kang Colby Dec 2015 #3
SecularMotion Dec 2015 #4
DonP Dec 2015 #5
aikoaiko Dec 2015 #16
DonP Dec 2015 #17
Kang Colby Dec 2015 #6
virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #14
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #7
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #9
Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #10
krispos42 Dec 2015 #8
DonP Dec 2015 #13
Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #26
gejohnston Dec 2015 #18
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #20
sarisataka Dec 2015 #22
DonP Dec 2015 #23
deathrind Dec 2015 #27

Response to gejohnston (Original post)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 09:47 PM

1. First step- Don't sound like this:

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:27 AM

11. comedy gold

 

If it was not so sad

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:38 AM

12. Some Democrats seem determined to match the stupid shit said about guns by Republicans...

 

...by spouting some stupid shit of their own. And they seem to have a knack for finding a camera to say it into...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:52 PM

25. Some ARE determined, if for no other reason than a belief in winning at the GOPers game....

 

...trouble is, the GOPers defined the game and have been at it a long time. It's another squirting contest with a skunk: you'll lose.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:35 AM

15. Multi-automatic rounds? I know what she means ...

... these:

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:27 PM

19. Somebody needs to tell Rep. Sanchez that Sarah Palin is not a person to emulate...

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:40 PM

21. Don't forget 'ghost gun guy'.

 

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Response to beevul (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:23 PM

24. another classic

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:00 PM

28. Her expression. It's disturbing.

 

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Response to gejohnston (Original post)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 10:28 PM

2. Ignore the guns nuts

 

They are right wing obstructionists.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:08 PM

3. Do you really mean that? I somehow doubt it.

Day in and day out, here you are promoting your cause, tirelessly, ran or shine. I can respect that. I just ask that you consider the opposing view point for a moment. I admit, I've posted some harsh criticism of gun control advocates and I apologize for that. I'm willing to have an honest dialogue about guns. I admit I don't have it all figured out. But the stuff that gets posted about gun owners around here is over the top and comical. You can't have a meaningful discussion if folks just want to ban users, hide posts, or mock.

Look at the state of these gun focused discussion forums for a moment. The broader DU community has basically sent us to our respective rooms so we won't interrupt the others. GCRA has very little activity, and this forum doesn't have much more. Perhaps we as a group are doing something wrong. We aren't going to go out to GD and win hearts and minds if GC&RKBA and GCRA can't even talk to each other without name calling, memes, and hysterics.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:10 PM

4. Enjoy your stay

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:26 PM

5. See, despite what most people say gun control supporters can be polite.

 

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Response to DonP (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:53 AM

16. SecMo is just sore because of gun control failure after failure.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:37 AM

17. Yeah, they do have a pretty pathetic track record

 

The thing that I marvel at is how they actually seem angry that violent crime is at a 40 year low and try to find ways to deny that as a fact.

Totally F's up their narrative, not to mention their fund raising.

Or how many of them (see pretty much any GD Gun related post from the past few weeks) seem perfectly willing to drive out the 30% of Dems that are "ammosexual gun humpers" for their flavor of "purity"? That'll win us a lot of elections

Really seems they'd rather have the issue to whine and feel morally superior about, than actually do anything to address the problems.

Oh well, what they want or think doesn't really matter, as long as legislatures and courts keep voting and ruling the way we like.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:28 PM

6. I will. I assume the connotation

with "enjoy your stay" means you think I deserve to be banned from DU or that I'm a sock puppet or a Republican who spends his time trolling DU. That's just not true. I would venture a guess that nearly a third of Democrats just aren't supportive of gun control in a general sense let alone in absolute terms.



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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:16 AM

14. No need to waste you time..

As I have said, and there behavior shows that they wish to dictate terms, not converse

So, we should treat them as such, their minds are already made up, and they are closed for any other viewpoint. Let's treat them the way they try to treat us, with utter contempt, with the exception of continually pointing out just how weak their arguments are, and how poorly briefed they are on the subject at hand. So let the conversation leave them behind, in the rear view mirror, with only Bloomberg's 1%er money keeping them "sort of" relevant as his sock puppets.

Enough guns were sold on Black Friday to more than outfit a World War Two era Army in the field. And they continue to talk about "tipping points"..

But they never say which way it is tipping..

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 11:42 PM

7. Sorry to say

 

you are not the host HERE

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:22 AM

9. "(Y)ou are not the host HERE" Thank you! Those with overinflated senses of self-importance need...

 

...to be reminded of their true place in the world on a regular basis.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:26 AM

10. he keeps slipping

 

He tried that Crap before, just thought he might need to be reminded again. Even his drive by Google dumps are getting more lame if that is possible. New Zealand,

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:12 AM

8. Your political goals are keeping the South Republican

And your side has managed to triple domestic gun production and double gun imports.

But I guess it's worth it to get.....



....um......




.....what did you get again?

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:17 AM

13. ".....what did you get again?"

 

... an utterly unfounded sense of moral superiority?

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Response to DonP (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:56 PM

26. Well, it last's longer if it's unfounded.

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:39 AM

18. thanks for proving his point

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Response to gejohnston (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:39 PM

20. Don't propose ignoring the Fourth Amendment while trying to eliminate the Second:

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141288881#post20

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:16 PM

Humanist_Activist (5,422 posts)
20. So would random home inspections be allowed, or is everything you propose just hot air?

You can train people and encourage or require the purchase of safes and trigger locks, but unless you have ways to follow up, such as by requiring renewal of a firearm possession license, along with home inspection and safety reviews, it really wouldn't change much, would it?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141288881#post21

That's true, and a good reason to repeal the 2nd amendment....

I don't understand how what amounts to a dangerous hobby can be constitutionally protected in this day and age. You don't need a gun in this society, and those who possess firearms are far more dangerous to themselves and everyone around them, law abiding or not.


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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 06:43 PM

22. Second Amendment hatred seems gateway

to ignoring other Amendments.

Along with the proposals to ignore/remove the Second I see people proposing to do away with, in whole or part, The 1st (speech), 3rd (anachronistic), 4th (search, seizure and Warrants) and 5th (due process, deprived of life, property). The Sixth, Ninth and Tenth are a bit shady as well, depending on the specifics of some proposals.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 07:30 PM

23. I think it's the other way around

 

Ignoring any existing law is OK ... as long as it let's them tell gun owners what they can and can't do.

Warrant free search and seizure, 5th amendment, Habeas corpus, free speech, speeding in a school zone, tearing those tags off mattresses and/or pillows; anything it takes to get one gun away from one ammosexual gun humper, because ... if it saves just one life...

As long as they don't have to actually do anything themselves, like reach for their checkbooks or take some vacation time to meet with legislators.

Other than that anything they can do from a keyboard and they might be in, if nothing good is on TV.

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Response to gejohnston (Original post)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:59 PM

27. It helps the dialogue.

For starters if...

You speak with respect.
Keep emotions out of the conversation.
Stick to facts (don't make stuff up).
Have viable solutions.

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