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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:11 AM Jan 2016

In Defense of the Public Square

The arrogance of open carry just might be a tipping point

In the wake of the Jan. 1 enforcement of the Texas Legislature's open carry handgun law, it's been gratifying to see the lengthening list of Austin and Texas businesses announcing that they'll ban weapons in their venues – not just 30.07 bans (no open carry) but 30.06 as well (no concealed weapons). Our News email has been peppered with so many business owners letting us know ("Add us to your list&quot , that we've been having trouble keeping up, and the state list (at the website for Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America) is of course much longer. Folks have thanked us for providing the DIY signage in last week's issue – a special thanks is also due to Moms Demand Action and local activist Ed Scruggs for diligently asking businesses to discourage guns and gun-brandishing. It's nice to know, for example, that H-E-B and Fresh Plus are united at least in this policy: Leave your guns at home.

It's also useful to know that major businesses like Target (for a different example) are waffling, declining to take a public stand, telling the media they "respectfully request" their customers not carry guns, but refusing to post the signs that would actually prohibit people from doing so. Even worse, Wal-Mart has imposed on its employees the responsibility to ask gun-brandishers if they happen to have a license. How many of those conversations will turn into dangerous confrontations, necessitating police intervention, or worse? "An armed society is a polite society," goes the gun-fetishists' mantra – yet witness the explicitly threatening behavior of the Constitutional Carry crowd last year at the Capitol ("Gun Bullies Lead ... Lawmakers Follow," Jan. 23, 2015).

Most gun owners are responsible, support rational restrictions (like universal background checks), and don't in fact see any sense in walking around openly armed, unless your intention is to intimidate people or provoke a dispute. "Open carry" expressly hands public power to the most reckless and irresponsible gun owners, who want to walk about openly armed like displaced movie villains, and let everyone else guess their intentions.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2016-01-15/point-austin-in-defense-of-the-public-square/
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Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. so open carry in Oklahoma
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jan 2016

Must be fine by them. Must have training and be licensed. Of course I do not support open carry but concealed carry. It would be nice if you commented on your daily Google dump of the day.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
2. I really feel sorry for people so frightened of life that they can't leave home without a loaded gun
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

in their jeans (or elsewhere).

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
4. Your sincere concern for over 12 million fellow citizens and voters is duly noted.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

Not to mention all the residents of those new carry states where no permit is required.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
7. Yeah, they're certainly more frightened...
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016
I really feel sorry for people so frightened of life that they can't leave home without a loaded gun in their jeans (or elsewhere).


(Hoytism? Or a variation on one?)

Yeah, they're certainly more frightened, than those who want to ban all guns, even the ones that don't get carried.
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
14. Damn, flamin, you seem more fearful than anyone here...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jan 2016

I've been averaging 9 hrs of sleep/night, and am going to celebrate a mild sunny day at Radio Coffee & Beer, here in Austin. I'll buy you a Devil's Backbone!

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
3. Oh Goodie! Another Gun Control "Tipping Point"
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

We haven't had one for a few weeks now.

They seem to alternate with the other "Wishful Thinking" posts; that the NRA is doomed and will collapse before the next election cycle.

Or my personal favorites, the ones that confidently predict that "In 3 or 4 generations no one will own guns". Always nice to predicts something that you'll be long gone so you cant be pointed at and laughed out of town for being so off trend.

But I'm sure this time it will really, really happen.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
8. Yes, but by next week...
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jan 2016
We haven't had one for a few weeks now. They seem to alternate with the other "Wishful Thinking" posts; that the NRA is doomed and will collapse before the next election cycle.



Yes, but by next week they'll be telling us that everything that hasn't happened re:gun control, is the fault of BIG NRA.

I've often wondered if they'll ever make up their minds.
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
9. A shifting narrative must be better than accepting defeat
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:40 AM
Jan 2016

They haven't had a gun control win for over 2 decades now, gun laws are loosening everywhere and crime continues to drop precipitously.

Gotta blame somebody else, couldn't be that the whole movement is incompetent and politically impotent.

Hey! Maybe that's where the penis fixation comes from?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
12. I'm guessing there are far more of the latter than the former
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jan 2016

Just like all our "experts" on "what happens at gun shows" and how "easy it is to buy a gun".

Never been to a gun show, never tried to buy a firearm, but by cracky they KNOW, from their friends bumper stickers, what's going on.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
15. During 2014 SXSW, the OC parade got a lotta tourist pics -- everyone thought it was...
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jan 2016

part of the act.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
16. Wow! How many bystanders were killed?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

Everybody keeps wringing their hands about OC but still waiting for the bloodbaths they guarantee.

Also waiting or the first professor intimidated/shot by a student carrying on campus about grades, the blood running in the street from concealed carry and .22 Long Rifle on the shelves.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
17. I'm going PUBLIC; Mike King is SQUARE
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jan 2016
"It's nice to know, for example, that H-E-B and Fresh Plus are united at least in this policy: Leave your guns at home."


How this is of any interest beyond very local I can't guess. Perhaps for the pro-control cheer squad.
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