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Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:45 AM

 

Cross post from the other group

They’re killing machines: Newtown families have a right to sue the makers of the AR-15

Cedric Larry Ford gunned down three and injured at least 14 more with an automatic rifle in Kansas Thursday, blasting away randomly from his car and then in the industrial building where he worked. Just another day in America.

This nation cannot awaken from a nightmare: Madmen wield weapons of war to indiscriminately slaughter, in their workplaces, on streets, in movie theaters and in elementary schools.

Ford added to the tally of slaughter as Connecticut Superior Court Judge Barbara Bellis is considering the merits of a wrongful death suit — brought by family members of Sandy Hook Elementary School children and one survivor of that assault.

They are trying to sue Remington, America’s top manufacturer of guns and ammunition in the civilian marketplace, for negligent entrustment in manufacturing AR-15s for purchase and use by ordinary Americans.

These assault rifles are weapons of war.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/killing-machines-article-1.2545453


Just so much wrong in that one part of posted article.

OK controllers, what army uses AR-15s as their infantry rifle?
The civilian version of the AK-47 is not automatic but semi-automatic, giant difference.
not even going to go there on the assault rifle bull.

By the way, the Kansas guy was a prohibited person and could not lawfully get a weapon and there appears to be a straw purchase by an old girlfriend and she has been charged.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:49 AM

1. I'm glad the straw purchaser was charged. I take it that's a "control"

point we agree on? (that straw purchases should be illegal)

Or no?

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Response to MH1 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 10:59 AM

2. I think every person who regularly posts

 

In this group would agree that straw purchases should be illegal. Disagree completely with the lawsuit against Remington

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Response to MH1 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:06 AM

3. they have been illegal since 1968

and punishable up to ten years in the federal pen. Most gun people I know have a problem with the sentencing guidelines in such cases. For example, there was outrage among all the gun blogs about a straw purchaser who bought several guns for biker gang types but got a year probation.
One thing I would liked for Obama do to with his EOs to address that if he legally can and order DoJ to prosecute felon in possession cases the locals give them.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 11:07 AM

4. I do not think anyone

 

Has ever disagreeing with straw purchases being illegal and heavy sentences for anyone who is convicted of that.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:31 PM

7. Totally agree with straw purchasers getting busted. This is one area that I would like to see

enforced more.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:40 PM

5. Mine are life saving machines...safety devices to preserve life.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 12:42 PM

6. Was it really an Automatic? or did the author lie....lies aren't opinions.

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Response to ileus (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:27 AM

11. The author probably has no clue what the difference is

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Original post)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 02:31 PM

8. A detail of the fail

"right to sue" - Everyone has a right to attempt to recover losses due to the actions of another where actions by the other are criminal or negligent. First, the manufacturers of the weapons used at Sandy Hook were neither and, second, the PLCAA protects them from SLAPP suits as they are breaking no laws in the conduct of their business. Idiots in the media who want to use the plight of survivors, their families and the families of the victims to profit through ratings and sales are scum. Lawyers who do anything but warn away those contemplating such lawsuits are worse.


"Cedric Larry Ford gunned down...injured...with an automatic rifle in Kansas Thursday" - not in the sense that normal thinking people use the term "automatic". Lawyers and doctors have traditionally studied Latin. Not so much to read legal or scientific texts in their original language but in recent times partially to gain an appreciation for the precision of thought able to be conveyed by language with very particular vocabulary. The rifle used was SEMI-AUTOMATIC made to LOOK LIKE an AK-47. Is a knife that stabs once per flex of an arm an "automatic" knife?


"weapons of war" - No military AFAIK has ever equipped its warriors with semi-auto AK-style arms.


"assault rifles" - From wiki: "An assault rifle is a fully automatic selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine."



Lies upon lies. IDK maybe just a big pile of bullshit flung by an unmanaged and low skill author.


I notice that CT has no anti-SLAPP laws. How convenient.

Were I a director or executive at Remington, I would have corporate counsel investigate case law and any relevant criminal laws on malicious prosecution. I would further suggest dedicating any monies so recovered and urge my fellow executives and directors to start or further contribute to a political action committee whose aim is to pass criminal barratry laws in every state where the company has nexus.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 01:08 PM

9. Banner fear-stoking enabled by lies: "Just another day in America."

 


The Daily Newz KNOWS what an automatic reply rifle is. They baldly lie because Gun Bans is a cause for them, and within MSM lying on this issue is acceptable and encouraged.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Original post)

Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:23 PM

10. So a convicted felon who can't so legally much as touch a gun or a single round of ammo...

who is then served a restraining order that makes him doubly prohibited, gets his girlfriend to illegally buy and give him a non-automatic, low-velocity, low-ish powered rifle, which he uses to shoot innocent people in a posted no-guns zone.

This proves that the most popular civilian rifles in U.S. homes must be banned and confiscated from non-felons and the mentally competent, even though rifles remain the least misused of all weapons in America (less than 300 murders/yr out of 12,000+), and even though banning said rifles wouldn't do anything whatsoever to address criminal gun misuse or mass shootings.

If you want to know how the U.S. gun control lobby has been continually shooting itself in the foot since the early 1980s, there you go.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 1, 2016, 01:30 AM

12. Hey now. That guy was forced by the gun, probably at gunpoint, to get his GF

 

to purchase it, him to load and transport it and then squeeze the trigger repeatedly.
It's all the gun's fault, he was just a victim of lax laws restraining the gun

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