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Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:22 AM

From the other group: Consistent link between violent crime and concealed-carry gun permits

Consistent link between violent crime and concealed-carry gun permits

The first study to find a significant relationship between firearm crime and subsequent applications for, and issuance of, concealed-carry gun permits has been published in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence.

The paper, “Firearm Violence and Effects on Concealed Gun Carrying: Large Debate and Small Effects,” found there is a consistent link between violent crime — especially crimes that involve guns — and an increase in the number of people issued carry permits over two time periods examined in the study, said Jeremy Carter, an assistant professor in the School of Public and Environmental Affairs at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis.

While the link is consistent and robust, Carter said the magnitude of this association is relatively low.

“It seems the level of debate surrounding violence and concealed carrying far outweighs any observed effects,” Carter and his co-author, Michael Binder, an assistant professor at the University of North Florida, conclude. “We acknowledge that other factors are just as — if not more — important and highlight the need for more refined research to parse out any plausible relationships.”

“From a theoretical perspective, the finding of firearm crime as a predictor of concealed carrying is the first such demonstrable relationship and provides evidence that should solicit further investigation,” the study says.

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http://scienceblog.com/483088/consistent-link-between-violent-crime-and-concealed-carry-gun-permits/


This seems to be a chicken-or-egg issue.

Is crime up because CC permits are up or are CC permits up because people want protection from criminals? It seems to me one good way of isolating that answer would be to see what percentage of CC permit holders are being arrested for these crimes.

Sadly, for a blog named "scienceblog" that question is not asked. We're simply treated to a correlation-equals-causation anti-scientific post with no hyperlink to the original study being cited.

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Reply From the other group: Consistent link between violent crime and concealed-carry gun permits (Original post)
Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 OP
Nancyswidower Mar 2016 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #2
JonathanRackham Mar 2016 #3
Straw Man Mar 2016 #7
Jackson3000 Mar 2016 #4
DonP Mar 2016 #5
friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #6
Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2016 #9
X_Digger Mar 2016 #10
virginia mountainman Mar 2016 #11

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:32 AM

1. Appears to be the latter...

 

"The first study to find a significant relationship between firearm crime and SUBSEQUENT applications for, and issuance of, concealed-carry gun permits.."

And.."..the finding of firearm crime as a PREDICTOR of concealed carrying is the first such demonstrable relationship..."

Just my take and wouldn't surprise me

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:37 AM

2. neither chicken nor egg

Crime and CC are mostly unrelated. There MAY be a very loose and slight relationship between some crime leading a very few to CC but any suggestion of the inverse is just a bullshit lie.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:54 AM

3. Is crime up because there are more 7-11's than before?

Maybe the solution to hold ups would be to close all the 7-11's! Or at least license those businesses.

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Response to JonathanRackham (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:35 PM

7. Who was it that said ...

Is crime up because there are more 7-11's than before?

... I'm somewhere between 5'8" and 5'10", depending on which convenience store I'm running out of?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 12:19 PM

4. Correlation does not equal causation

From the authors..

“We acknowledge that other factors are just as — if not more — important and highlight the need for more refined research to parse out any plausible relationships.”

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:05 PM

5. Ahh, the "Vinyl Racing Stripes on Dodge Neons Cause Speeding" - school of thought

 

... and Interstate Expressways make people buy cars.

That kind of stretching will send you to the local Chiropractor.

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Response to DonP (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 02:17 PM

6. Hah! Good one- I will be sure to quote that line often...

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 03:13 PM

8. Violent crime is a threat, so some carry concealed. Why this study?

 

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:09 AM

9. I heard that the Dow-Jones Ind Avg tracks...

...the height of skirts from floor to hem.



I won't be basing any long/short decisions tomorrow on what the ladies are wearing today.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:25 PM

10. For Texas, the arrest rate for CHL holders is miniscule

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:22 PM

11. If they really cared about Suicides...

They would be very concerned with US spending on Science.....



Hey, it's not my logic, it's theirs, if they love using flawed logic, may as well have fun with it....

SOURCES...http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=1597

http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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