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TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:26 AM Jul 2016

"Forget new gun laws. Here’s what could really keep people from shooting each other."

While they grab attention, justifiably, mass shootings remain outliers. Two-thirds of gun deaths are suicides. The tyranny of everyday shootings — the 12,000 homicides a year that happen so regularly that some people don’t even call 911 anymore — follow patterns completely divorced from the weapons used. These shootings have much more to do with the realities of life for the poor, the drug-addicted, the mentally ill and the criminal.

Gun violence is most acute among young black men. The National Council on Crime and Delinquency says the homicide rate per 100,000 of white males between 15 and 19 years old is 1.8. For Hispanic males, it’s 14.6.

For African American males, it’s a staggering 50.6 per 100,000.

Only recently, Richmond, Calif., had among America’s highest per capita rates of gun violence. In 2009, there were 47 homicides among 100,000 residents. Officials there theorized that a few bad actors caused most of the problem. As it turned out, 70 percent of their gun violence in 2008 was caused by fewer than 1 percent of the city’s residents. This isn’t unique: in Cincinnati, less than 1 percent of the city’s population was responsible for 74 percent of homicides in 2007.

Richmond developed an innovative, controversial program: They identified the 50 people most likely to shoot someone and engaged with them, even paying them to participate.

The city provided career help, training, resume writing and health care. It asked people what they feared and helped them create plans to mitigate those fears.

Critics called it “paying gang members not to shoot people.” It was more than that. And it worked.

From 2007 to 2012, the city experienced a 61 percent reduction in homicides. It turned out that the money was nowhere near as important as people had thought — people still show up to the meetings even though no one is paying them anymore. The interventions steered potential killers onto a better path.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/14/forget-new-gun-laws-heres-what-could-really-keep-people-from-shooting-each-other/
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"Forget new gun laws. Here’s what could really keep people from shooting each other." (Original Post) TeddyR Jul 2016 OP
Seems like Chicago could benefit from this type of program... jmg257 Jul 2016 #1
My thought exactly. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #4
Works for me. Brickbat Jul 2016 #2
K&R... It is more the job of government to empower... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #3
No, we need to ban telescoping stocks. To send a message. krispos42 Jul 2016 #5
Actually we should just demand a special investigation and clearance... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #6
Lol! krispos42 Jul 2016 #10
Don't forget a bazillion dollar Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #11
Hold on, now, this smacks of liberal/progressive thought! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #7
You're right sarisataka Jul 2016 #9
Works for me. nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #8
Sounds a lot like profiling to me. Calista241 Jul 2016 #12
Profiling without arrest or charges isn't wrong n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #13
Profiling is a proven tactic ManiacJoe Jul 2016 #14
On second thought... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #16
kick for visibility n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #15

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
1. Seems like Chicago could benefit from this type of program...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jul 2016

"In a city of 2.7 million people, about 1,400 are responsible for much of the violence, Mr. Johnson said, and all of them are on what the department calls its Strategic Subject List.

So far this year, more than 70 percent of the people who have been shot in Chicago were on the list, according to the police, as were more than 80 percent of those arrested in connection with shootings."

“We are targeting the correct individuals,” Mr. Johnson said. “We just need our judicial partners and our state legislators to hold these people accountable.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/armed-with-data-chicago-police-try-to-predict-who-may-shoot-or-be-shot.html

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,475 posts)
3. K&R... It is more the job of government to empower...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jul 2016

...the people to do the right thing, to help where help is needed and to be resource. Laws that make government into a disciplinarian with an interest in punishment will be counterproductive. I'm sure the privatized prisons would be thrilled to have more crimes on the books of which folks could be convicted but I just don't like the idea of a government that has no interest in helping fix the problems that lead to crime and poverty but a big interest in turning folks with few choices (most of them bad) into criminals.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,475 posts)
6. Actually we should just demand a special investigation and clearance...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jul 2016

...for those who want a telescoping stock. Of course your stock would need a serial number and need to be registered and civilians couldn't buy a telescoping manufactured after 2016. There would be a $200 tax stamp involved.

(We need a smiley with its head up its butt.)

sarisataka

(18,472 posts)
9. You're right
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jul 2016

no secret lists, no mass incarceration... I don't see this getting much support from some segments.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
14. Profiling is a proven tactic
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

and it works very well.

On the other hand, racial profiling is useless.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,475 posts)
16. On second thought...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jul 2016

...anyone who wants to profile me in order to help me with my problems gets a free tuna sandwich!

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