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Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:50 PM

An inconvenient truth...

Rifle Homicides in the United States, 2005-2015

2005: 442
2006: 436
2007: 450
2008: 375
2009: 348
2010: 358
2011: 323
2012: 302
2013: 285
2014: 248
2015: 252

(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2005-2015, Table 20, Collated)

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Reply An inconvenient truth... (Original post)
benEzra Dec 2016 OP
pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #1
virginia mountainman Dec 2016 #2
SkatmanRoth Dec 2016 #3
ileus Dec 2016 #4
Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #5
ileus Dec 2016 #6
Throck Dec 2016 #7
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #8
Throck Dec 2016 #9
yagotme Dec 2016 #10
jmg257 Dec 2016 #11
yagotme Dec 2016 #12
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #13
yagotme Dec 2016 #14

Response to benEzra (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:42 PM

1. But....but....but....moral posturing is a political winner!

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Response to benEzra (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:50 PM

2. Well..

Just pointed out "poorly briefed" some are about the subject at hand...

All the more infuriating how they get "spoon fed" from a rich republican 1%'ers, that was allowed to speak at our national convention..

They just love his money, no matter the costs...

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Response to benEzra (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 05:29 AM

3. You have to have the correct come-back for data like this

This data shows an obvious trend in fewer deaths because the citizens insist on buying that mouse-gun (Rem .223) which is so underpowered it is not effective in a combat situation, and therefore must be banned.

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Response to SkatmanRoth (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 06:48 AM

4. The ole poodle shooter...LOL

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Response to benEzra (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 07:08 AM

6. Guns kill people.....everyone with #gunsense knows that.

and that's all we truly need to know.

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Response to benEzra (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 08:18 AM

7. What kind of rifle?

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Response to Throck (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 08:25 AM

8. That's all kinds of rifles

Welcome

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 08:42 AM

9. In 2015 468 murders in Chicago, 2,900 shootings.

Meanwhile people perceive rifles as a problem.

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Response to Throck (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 06:01 PM

10. And this year,

Chicago looks like it is beating that # from last year handily. Why can't we lock up these guys using firearms to kill with (and I'm sure that most/nearly all of these guys don't have FOID cards), and make the City safer? SARCASM THINGY

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Response to yagotme (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 6, 2016, 07:22 PM

11. Shouldn't be too hard they know who they are...the 1400 people responsible for 80% of the gun

violence are all on the Strategic Subject List.

Police just need legislators and judicial partners to do their jobs.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 09:54 AM

12. Problem is,

no prison space, state govt spent 8 yrs or so trying to close prisons, some successfully, resulting in overcrowding in others, reduced sentences, etc. Yes, they know who the problem children are, but the street level police can't/won't do much about it, sending them to jail for a short time doesn't solve the long term problems. 1400 people would fill ONE of the prisons closed, re: Joliet. I know it was an old prison, but I would rather see these repeat offender/murderers locked up in an old facility than have them on the street, basically getting away with murder.

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Response to yagotme (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 12:22 PM

13. How many are in prisons for drug charges?

And how many of them have been charged with "crimes" that shouldn't be crimes?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 7, 2016, 07:03 PM

14. Don't know exact numbers,

but a good percentage of those I have met are in for drug charges. DUI's, possession, dealing. Depends on the prison. IL is divided into 3 major prison types for adults, max, medium, and minimum. During Blago's governorship, I personally saw the prisoners I dealt with (at a min. prison) go from 6 mo-3 yr sentences to up to 12 yr gigs. The prison where I was at that time was not really built to handle these inmates, as they should have had a higher classification of med., but Blago's DOC admin. was pushing out lower sentencing levels to make room for the longer terms, to attempt to close down 3-4 different prisons during his terms. When I transferred to this place, some of the charges against the I/m's sounded ridiculous, but after working all 3 class of prisons, I realized that the I/m standing in front of me might have been arrested for a dealing charge, but had actually shot or killed someone on the street, just not caught or little proof, and charges pled down. Had a few of them actually "admit" to this. Stating, "i wouldn't be at this joint if they really know what all I did.", or words to that effect.

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