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Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:01 PM

Ed: Strengthen gun store security to close off armories for criminals

The Florida Legislature made it illegal in 1989 for an adult to leave a firearm within reach of a child. It was the rare example of a courageous response to the devastation of gun violence from a body generally more interested in eliminating restrictions on carrying and using firearms. The powerful gun lobby didn't even resist. The measure served as a model for other states. It is now time to expand that move toward responsible gun ownership by requiring those who sell firearms to protect them so they won't serve as virtual armories for Florida's criminals.

Twice in one year, thieves broke into Tampa gun stores and made off with about 40 guns each time. Soon after the most recent break-in, Nov. 29, one of the guns was found with a teenager suspected in the shooting death of an Orlando mother as she sat in her car with her child.

Then last week, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd took to his soapbox to scold store owners who shirk the "ethical and moral responsibility to secure their guns." Judd was disgusted at a theft again, about 40 firearms from Rapture Guns & Knives in Lakeland, a glass-fronted, strip-center store whose owner had just been warned by detectives about security.

Judd, after declaring his own libertarian leanings, questioned why the free market hasn't moved to hold gun store owners accountable for shoddy security practices. How do they get insurance, for example, or business loans?

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-strengthen-gun-store-security-to-close-off-armories-for-criminals/2309538

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Reply Ed: Strengthen gun store security to close off armories for criminals (Original post)
HAB911 Jan 2017 OP
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #1
HAB911 Jan 2017 #2
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2017 #3
HAB911 Jan 2017 #4
oneshooter Jan 2017 #5
oneshooter Jan 2017 #16
Spiggitzfan Jan 2017 #6
HAB911 Jan 2017 #7
Waldorf_ Jan 2017 #8
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2017 #13
pablo_marmol Jan 2017 #14
oneshooter Jan 2017 #10
Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #17
Doug.Goodall Jan 2017 #9
yagotme Jan 2017 #11
Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #18
yagotme Jan 2017 #19
Kang Colby Jan 2017 #12
yagotme Jan 2017 #20
Kang Colby Jan 2017 #21
jmg257 Jan 2017 #15

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:25 PM

1. I happen like Sheriff Judd...

...and have a friend who worked for the department for a bit. It certainly seems reasonable to me that individual states establish what security measures are required for stores that stock firearms.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:28 PM

2. My only problem with Judd is

he's a redneck camera hog

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:31 PM

3. That kind of goes with the office and territory n/t

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:36 PM

4. Not really, he's a HAM........n/t

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 12:41 PM

5. And what"additional security" would you be willing to accept. n/t

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 09:22 PM

16. And again, ignoring a question directed at him.

So rude.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 01:50 PM

6. Gun theft way up in Texas after open carry...

A local gun store has been in the news 3 times for theft of a large number of guns each time. (Ironic that all those guns and they still weren't able to protect themselves. So much for "an armed country is a safe country." After open carry passed there's been a great increase of guns stolen from cars. And the thieves openly say that a car or house with lots of NRA & "Come & take it" stickers/signs might as well have a target drawn on it. One asshole put out a sign pointing to his neighbor's house, saying that the person was unarmed & could easily be robbed. The thieves robbed *his* house, guessing correctly that he had a stockpile of valuable weapons.
When/if these guns hurt/kill someone, I'll bet Texas doesn't try to hard to trace them, because the inconvenient evidence might point to a need for gun control. Republicans will never let evidence disturb their cult-like worship of guns.

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Response to Spiggitzfan (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 05:40 PM

8. What effect would open carry have on theft? I live in Texas and you still have to have a concealed

carry permit to open carry. No constitutional carry here.

And as a concealed carry user, I have yet to see someone open carrying. I live in the D/FW area.

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Response to Waldorf_ (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:12 AM

13. None whatsoever- it's a "throw something at the wall and see if it sticks" comment...

 

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Response to Waldorf_ (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:16 AM

14. "What effect would open carry have on theft?"

Clearly, we're dealing with a victim of the GCRDF.*

*"Gun Control" Reality Distortion Field

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Response to Spiggitzfan (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 07:55 PM

10. The thieves broke through a wall,

or drove a stolen vehicle through the front door. All done in the early morning/late night hours. Multiple persons enter, break casses, cut cables, grab what they can and leave in a waiting vehicle. All this done in a strip shopping center with no cameras.

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Response to Spiggitzfan (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:01 PM

17. So is the temperature during summer.

 

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 06:06 PM

9. Burglary is already illegal

There are laws against breaking and entering. There are laws against theft of property. There are laws against Grand Theft. There are law against receiving stolen property. There are laws against shooting people to death while sitting in a car.

Just what additional laws do you propose to eliminate this lack of security in retail establishments that sell guns?

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Response to yagotme (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 02:07 PM

18. Heh. During the "motor bandit era" nat'l guard armories were the stores for discerning thugs.

 

The Ashley gang (c1910-1926) of South Florida preferred BAR full-autos to the wimpy Thompsons, and who gonna call? Armories.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:26 PM

19. I know, the call for "Keep them in armories"

the anti-gunners keep making, doesn't hold up that well for this.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 08:42 PM

12. Theft is already illegal.

 

No need to victimize the victim. Gun laws aren't necessary, but I would support a mandatory minimum of 50 years in all gun theft convictions.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:27 PM

20. With a "no-plea-down" clause, also. n/t

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Response to yagotme (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:54 PM

21. Amen. Eom

 

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:01 PM

15. Damn criminals - that's why we can't have anything nice!

Lax security isn't a good idea.

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