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Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:48 PM

Is the NRA a terrorist organization?

Probably the best definition of terrorism is:

Killing or maiming civilians to achieve political goals.


The NRA aims to increase gun sales for two reasons: to enrich gun CEOs, and to get votes for Republican billionaires’ agenda. Many wealthy Republicans who don’t care about guns (like the Koch network) donate to the NRA, because they know the NRA gets white people to vote for Republicans. And that gets votes for tax cuts and deregulation.

To me, that sounds like the definition of a terrorist organization.

Thoughts?




Also, these T shirts and stickers make this claim.
https://maddogpac.com/collections/all-swag/products/truth-about-the-nra-t-shirt?variant=7159680630837






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sharedvalues Aug 2019 OP
Shell_Seas Aug 2019 #1
hack89 Aug 2019 #2
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #3
hack89 Aug 2019 #4
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #6
hack89 Aug 2019 #8
hack89 Aug 2019 #9
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #10
hack89 Aug 2019 #12
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #15
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #17
hack89 Aug 2019 #18
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #19
hack89 Aug 2019 #20
friendly_iconoclast Aug 15 #21
gejohnston Aug 2019 #14
hlthe2b Aug 2019 #5
empedocles Aug 2019 #7
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #11
friendly_iconoclast Aug 15 #22
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #13
EX500rider Aug 17 #23
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 17 #24
krispos42 Aug 2019 #16

Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:52 PM

1. Yes.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:58 PM

2. What does US law say?

Seems like a simple thing to Google.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:10 PM

3. FBI agents say so

“Acts of violence intended to intimidate civilian populations or to influence or affect government policy should be prosecuted as domestic terrorism regardless of the ideology behind them,” FBIAA President Brian O’Hare said in a statement.

We shouldn’t get hung up on law on the books today because Republican lawmakers have a strong incentive to not classify their base as terrorists even though they might be.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/06/fbi-domestic-terrorism-threat-to-american-people-1449105


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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:17 PM

4. Does the actual statute language support that view?

What specific violent acts has the NRA committed?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:19 PM

6. NRA is a terrorist organization then?

I see you didn’t read my post.
Or are you just unwilling to admit the NRA supports domestic terrorism?

Really, Republican billionaires are just as responsible. So the NRA is not the ONLY gun-loving domestic Republican terror organization.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:27 PM

8. Federal code is not easy reading

But so far I see nothing that could be used to prosecute the NRA. One major obstacle is that the law only mentions foreign terrorist organizations. It doesn't mention domestic organizations.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:33 PM

9. Turns out there are no domestic terrorism laws

The US code defines it but it is not codified into law. Domestic acts of terror are prosecuted under standard federal statutes. There is no way to designate the NRA a terrorist organization.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:40 PM

10. But they are a terrorist organization.

Just because Republicans have blocked laws and DOJ action to prosecute domestic terrorists (because the domestic terrorists are on their political side, confirming they are domestic terrorists) doesn’t mean we shouldn’t use the real term.

DU isn’t a court of law.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

12. If it is meaningless but makes you feel better then why not?

Easier than actually doing something I guess.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:12 PM

15. Our resident Keyboard Kommandos seem to have mistaken online wringing of hands ...

...and repeated proclamations of their moral superiority over the rest of us for 'actually doing something'.

Some years ago, I donated $50 to the Brady Campaign in order to see what the propaganda
to their members looked like. The results were illuminating (if not very flattering to the Brady Bunch), and I posted about
it at DU.

I don't seem to recall any of them posting about doing even so much as marching around in matching T-shirts for
a feel-good photo op...

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Response to hack89 (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:07 PM

17. It is a reason for us to fight the NRA

The NRA is a terror organization.
We should fight and organize against it and its politicians and its donors.

No one affiliated with the NRA will survive its stain. It will go down with some of the worst terrorist organizations of the past 100 years. It has already facilitated killings of more than the IRA and the Basque separatists.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:29 PM

18. So far they have decisively kicked the gun control movement's ass for 3 decades

They may be evil but good doesn't always win. Given the dismal record of gun control you have no reason to be confident - the present leadership doesn't engender a lot of confidence.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:09 PM

19. So you're telling us to give in to that evil? No.

You’re telling us not to fight?
This is a Republican talking point. “Give up, because you’ll never win on gun control.”
We are near a turning point. We are going to win this. Just as gay marriage used to be an identity politics weapon that helped Republicans and now hurts them, gun control is flipping too.



But it’s a moral issue as well as good politics.

Kids are getting torn apart by weapons of war in our godd*mn elementary schools.

And anyone who is an NRA member, or who buys guns and ammo and thus funds the NRA, is complicit.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:35 AM

20. No. I am telling you that you are ineffective

You don't know what you are doing.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:51 AM

21. Very true, but they'll never realize it, much less admit it

They have spent decades operating with the underlying belief that "Victory shall be ours, for our hearts are pure
and our cause is just", but are extremely reluctant to engage in the rough and tumble of real-world politics.

IOW, they are the Washington Generals of issue politics...

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:50 PM

14. That describes the

KKK and Antifa, but not any organization just because you don't like them.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:17 PM

5. As surely as the sun comes up in the East, yes

That said, there are other gun-promoting groups even more extreme. I doubt they have the money NRA still has, but we have to think comprehensively.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:23 PM

7. How many putin moneys did the NRA get and why?

This will come out more fully in the coming months of investigations and trials.

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Response to empedocles (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:42 PM

11. There will be no more investigations

Under this President and under Bill Barr. He’s killed them.

If you care about gun violence and domestic terror and Russian attacks- take action. Don’t wait for Bill Barr (ha) to save you.

Join a local Indivisible or Swing Left. Donate to causes you care about. Listen to Pod Save America. Canvass. Register voters. Protest. Don’t wait. Act!!!

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:10 AM

22. You've finally realized online hand wringing and attempted guilt-tripping haven't worked?

That's a start, I suppose- but you do realize that most like minded individuals will still settle for keyboard Kommandoism,
or at the outside a mass photo op with matching T-shirts.

The NRA is evil- but they get things done, because they (for the most part) know how real-world politics work

In contrast, 99% of what you lot have done so far is proclaim how awful guns are and what a great idea
gun control is and how will be happening Real Soon Now

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:02 PM

13. I think this guy's sig line is better than your shirt:

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:01 PM

23. I like this one:

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:45 PM

24. I've always liked that one

This might be okay for some
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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:01 PM

16. Democrats in power drive up gun sales

Because of Democrats' fetish about bans of "assault weapons".

Gun companies want to sell guns. The 30-year history of the Democratic party and its politicians and pundits means more Dems = more gun sales.

Market economics.

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