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GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 12:47 PM Sep 2022

it's authoritarian to take advantage of the Heller decision

We are living in the conservative fever dream of Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in DC vs. Heller, which basically said, "we're gonna ignore the whole first clause of the 2nd amendment - everyone gets to have a gun".
If you disagree with the decision, but still purchased a gun, I submit: that's equally authoritarian to, say, suddenly running around saying women have no right to an abortion, just because SCOTUS says so.
And if you've simply "given up", because 400 million guns is such a huge number, what's one more gun? That's the end justifying the means, but in the negative: no ends, justifying no means. We're not gonna try (and no one else will, either).
Isn't it time we live and die by our principles? This is how the unthinkable becomes "normalized". We're on track to have over a billion guns by the time a current preschooler graduates from high school. Generation Target Practice deserves better.

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it's authoritarian to take advantage of the Heller decision (Original Post) GenXer47 Sep 2022 OP
Hear hear! AndyS Sep 2022 #1
Ironic, isn't it! An originalist textualist leaves out an entire clause in the text of the 2nd Martin68 Sep 2022 #2
The introductory clause is not a limiting clause. ManiacJoe Sep 2022 #3
Not to mention if it meant firearms for just militia members it wouldn't be in the Bill of Rights EX500rider Jan 2023 #4
It's absolutely awful that we have the violence that we have. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2023 #5

Martin68

(22,768 posts)
2. Ironic, isn't it! An originalist textualist leaves out an entire clause in the text of the 2nd
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 04:17 PM
Sep 2022

Last edited Mon Sep 19, 2022, 01:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Amendment! Is that intellectual dishonesty, or just plain dishonesty?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
3. The introductory clause is not a limiting clause.
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 12:20 AM
Sep 2022

Why? Because it is not phrased that way.
Modern laws are often written the same way, just leading with the word "whereas", with the same useless effect.
Had the authors intended the introductory clause to be a limiting clause, they would have phrased it that way.

EX500rider

(10,809 posts)
4. Not to mention if it meant firearms for just militia members it wouldn't be in the Bill of Rights
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 05:20 PM
Jan 2023

Also since the writers of the 2nd knew what they meant all you have to ask is did they require militia membership after the amendment was passed?
No, they did not because it quite plainly says "the people", not "the militia".

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,476 posts)
5. It's absolutely awful that we have the violence that we have.
Sat Jan 7, 2023, 07:18 PM
Jan 2023

I include gun violence in that opinion. But I don't see how laws are going to be the key to solving the problem. Do you have any ideas on how to make progress?

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