Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumN.C. gun bill would allow concealed carry in restaurants serving alcohol
The bill also clarifies what part of park property that firearms would be allowed on. A law that went into effect in December gave city councils and boards of commissioners the option of banning guns from playgrounds, athletic fields and facilities, and swimming pools.
Gun-rights advocates say some cities and towns have expanded gun bans beyond those specific places. This bill would prohibit guns from being banned on greenways, biking or walking paths, and open areas that are on park lands.
Rep. Mark Hilton, a Republican from Catawba County who has been the key sponsor of the gun bills, told a Senate judiciary committee on Thursday that the state restaurant association and the sheriffs association do not oppose this version of the bill.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/08/2838770/nc-gun-bill-would-allow-concealed.html#storylink=cpy
The bar/restaurant bit is important and I'd favor it if I was a NC resident (note that drinking while armed remains illegal), and I'm struck that the restaurant association doesn't oppose it, but the section on public space is also interesting. The local interpretations and definitions of 'recreational space' requiring this revision and careful nitpicking illustrates to me the importance of statewide uniformity in firearms laws (but at least local governments are required to post any excepted areas)...
http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?BillID=H111&Session=2011
(c) For purposes of this section, the term "recreational facilities" includes only the following: a playground, an athletic field, a swimming pool, and an athletic facility.
(1) A playground with installed apparatus or equipment designed for use by minors, and any appurtenant facilities, such as restrooms.
(2) An athletic field, including any appurtenant facilities such as restrooms, during an organized athletic event if the field had been scheduled for use with the municipality or county office responsible for operation of the park or recreational area.
(3) A swimming pool, including any appurtenant facilities used for dressing, storage of personal items, or other uses relating to the swimming pool.
(4) A facility used for athletic events, including, but not limited to, a gymnasium.
(d) For the purposes of this section, the term "recreational facilities" does not include any greenway; designated biking or walking path; an area that is customarily used as a walkway or bikepath although not specifically designated for such use; open areas or fields where athletic events may occur unless the area qualifies as an "athletic field" pursuant to subdivision (2) of subsection (c) of this section; and any other area that is not specifically described in subsection (c) of this section."
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Restaurants these days. There could be a wayward Lobster running around. A gun would come in handy in those cases.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)petronius
(26,580 posts)anything other than your hands or a baited trap - that probably applies to feral restaurant lobsters as well...
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Yes those feral lobsters are the worst. LOL!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)PIs, valuables couriers, body guards, etc. shouldn't eat out while working? Shouldn't be up to the property owner instead of the State?
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)You should listen to this lady who watched her parents die in front of her there.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I can't believe we live in a time where people don't feel safe unless they are carrying a gun. These are recipes for disaster.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Empirically, your evidence is nonexistent. More than that, the opposite seems to be the case.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)You misunderstand the reason why most people carry or keep firearms.
They carry and keep firearms for the same reason they wear seat belts and own fire extinguishers and spare tires. It's not because they feel unsafe, but rather because it's cheap and easy to own the tools to mitigate the problems that come in the rare event that they are needed.
These are recipes for disaster.
How so? CCW permit holders are hardly ever involved in any kind of crime, let alone firearm-related crime.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)in Arizona, we have a very similar law.
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)Out of curiosity, do you count Grover Norquist as one of your heroes as well? And do there happen to be any Democrats that you approve of, or is it only right-wing Republicans?
spin
(17,493 posts)is understandable after her tragic experience in the Luby's massacre.
She not only lost both her parents but also 21 other people died and 20 more were injured because of the actions of George Hennard. It is quite possible that if a similar incident occurred today in a large restaurant in Texas there would be at least one individual who was legally carrying a firearm. That person could have engaged Hennard at close range and attracted his attention long enough to enable some people to escape or successfully stopped his attack.
I'm sure that some of the people who were in the restaurant on that day have a far different but also understandable view of gun control because of the experience and would prefer to see the civilian ownership of handguns banned.
I wouldn't call Hupp a hero, although she might have become one had she been illegally carrying her own handgun on that day. I do consider Hupp's 71 year old father a hero as he attempted to rush the shooter in order to subdue him.
Often people have personal experiences that shape their opinions on an issue. That's why I attempt to be respectful of the views of others who disagree with me.
An incident involving a person very close to me showed me just how useful a firearm can be for self defense against a home intruder who intended rape. Unfortunately I also have suffered the loss of a family member caused by a tragic accident that proved to me that mixing alcohol and firearms is a terrible idea even for a person well trained in gun safety.
As with many issues today, there are valid points to be made on both sides of the gun control debate.
There is no doubt that firearms are an excellent tool for self defense but at the same time they are extremely lethal and unforgiving when mishandled. They can save your life or your health from an attacker but they also can end your life or the life of another person if you forget for even one second just how deadly they can be.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)I can't believe we live in a time where people don't feel they need to back up their absurd assertions, insinuations and accusations with things like facts and evidence. THAT is truely a recipe for disaster.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Fucking thought so.
bluerum
(6,109 posts)in restaraunts and grocery stores. Possibly because concealed carry is allowed - even in venues serving alcohol.
petronius
(26,580 posts)detailed observations on lobster behavior (including flavor and texture) in multiple venues throughout MA and ME...
That's interesting that MA allows CCW in alcohol-serving establishments. I'd thought the state was generally on the more restrictive end of the spectrum, but perhaps my opinion is colored by Boston itself...
It has always been legal here, if you have a pistol permit. Imagine that.
ileus
(15,396 posts)for our cc friends in NC.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Really, nothing changed here in ohio, despite the wringing of hands and wailing & gnashing of teeth from the anti-gun paranoids. It really is no different than the people being allowed to cary them everywhere else. In fact, it may be a bit of good thing now that people who DO choose to have a concealed firearm no longer have to take it off and leave it in the car... meaning less required handling of guns (less chance of accidental discharge while handling) and less likelihood of theft while unattended in a parking lot.
My wife and I, much to my protest, eat out all the time. Ever since the ohio "guns in bars" laws has passed, I've yet to see one gun out in public while eating. Mostly because, even if they're there, they're concealed/hidden. For the most part, as much as some are paranoid about it and don't want to see guns in public... the people that are carrying guns are paranoid about others not seeing them carry guns.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)realize they don't have to order home delivered pizza or Chinese anymore. The thought of life without their guns has been frightening. Thank god for the NRA and other right wing gun groups.
SGMRTDARMY
(599 posts)Restaurant owners will love the increased revenue. Your blind hatred of those of us with CHL's has really clouded your thinking process.
You need to take a deep breath and calm down before you have a CVA (cerebral vascular accident, ie: stroke).
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)you keep thanking the NRA now, ya hear.
ileus
(15,396 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)drive a 3000 pound auto and drink also. As long as I am not drunk both are legal.
citysyde
(74 posts)surrender their weapons upon entry.
I'm for that!
If you want a drink, leave your weapons at the door.
If you can stay sober, you know there's no reason to shoot off a weapon while eating.
If you want a drink while eating, you can't shoot a weapon, period.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)many states make it a felony to drink and carry. Although check your gun and car keys at the door may not be a bad idea. If you get plowed, your gun is returned cleared, zip tied, and in a complementary case minus ammo while the bouncer pours you in a cab.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Did you watch the video? It would appear that you didn't... or that you think those were acceptable collateral damage for yourability to eat at a restaurant without being hysterical.
Whutevah.