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petronius

(26,580 posts)
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 07:44 PM Jun 2012

N.C. gun bill would allow concealed carry in restaurants serving alcohol

RALEIGH, N.C. -- A gun bill left over from the flurry of gun bills that cleared the North Carolina General Assembly last year was resurrected Thursday. This one, HB111, would allow anyone with a permit to carry a concealed weapon to bring that gun into a restaurant that serves alcohol, which is currently illegal.

The bill also clarifies what part of park property that firearms would be allowed on. A law that went into effect in December gave city councils and boards of commissioners the option of banning guns from playgrounds, athletic fields and facilities, and swimming pools.

Gun-rights advocates say some cities and towns have expanded gun bans beyond those specific places. This bill would prohibit guns from being banned on greenways, biking or walking paths, and open areas that are on park lands.

Rep. Mark Hilton, a Republican from Catawba County who has been the key sponsor of the gun bills, told a Senate judiciary committee on Thursday that the state restaurant association and the sheriffs’ association do not oppose this version of the bill.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/08/2838770/nc-gun-bill-would-allow-concealed.html#storylink=cpy


The bar/restaurant bit is important and I'd favor it if I was a NC resident (note that drinking while armed remains illegal), and I'm struck that the restaurant association doesn't oppose it, but the section on public space is also interesting. The local interpretations and definitions of 'recreational space' requiring this revision and careful nitpicking illustrates to me the importance of statewide uniformity in firearms laws (but at least local governments are required to post any excepted areas)...

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookUp/BillLookUp.pl?BillID=H111&Session=2011

(b) A unit of local government may adopt an ordinance to prohibit, by posting, the carrying of a concealed handgun on municipal and county recreational facilities that are specifically identified by the unit of local government. If a unit of local government adopts such an ordinance with regard to recreational facilities, then the concealed handgun permittee may, nevertheless, secure the handgun in a locked vehicle within the trunk, glove box, or other enclosed compartment or area within or on the motor vehicle.

(c) For purposes of this section, the term "recreational facilities" includes only the following: a playground, an athletic field, a swimming pool, and an athletic facility.
(1) A playground with installed apparatus or equipment designed for use by minors, and any appurtenant facilities, such as restrooms.
(2) An athletic field, including any appurtenant facilities such as restrooms, during an organized athletic event if the field had been scheduled for use with the municipality or county office responsible for operation of the park or recreational area.
(3) A swimming pool, including any appurtenant facilities used for dressing, storage of personal items, or other uses relating to the swimming pool.
(4) A facility used for athletic events, including, but not limited to, a gymnasium.

(d) For the purposes of this section, the term "recreational facilities" does not include any greenway; designated biking or walking path; an area that is customarily used as a walkway or bikepath although not specifically designated for such use; open areas or fields where athletic events may occur unless the area qualifies as an "athletic field" pursuant to subdivision (2) of subsection (c) of this section; and any other area that is not specifically described in subsection (c) of this section."

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N.C. gun bill would allow concealed carry in restaurants serving alcohol (Original Post) petronius Jun 2012 OP
Well who feels safe in Politicalboi Jun 2012 #1
DUzy!!! freshwest Jun 2012 #2
Here in CA it's illegal to spear, shoot, loop, or otherwise take a lobster with petronius Jun 2012 #3
THAT'S the DUZY. nt rrneck Jun 2012 #4
LOL! Politicalboi Jun 2012 #6
are you saying gejohnston Jun 2012 #9
I bet these people wish they just had lobsters to deal with. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #16
Thank you all Politicalboi Jun 2012 #5
do you have any evidence of that? gejohnston Jun 2012 #7
In what way? Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #17
Hasn't been a problem Meiko Jun 2012 #20
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #23
Suzanna Hupp! If it isn't everyone's favorite gun-nut anti-abortion right-wing Republican! DanTex Jun 2012 #24
The fact that she is a "gun nut" ... spin Jun 2012 #25
Nay, nay, thank YOU.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #21
P.S. Have you watched the Suzzana Hupp video? If so, what is your response? n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #22
So, a whole bunch of nothing, eh? PavePusher Jun 2012 #30
We have lots of lobsters in MA. They are very well behaved bluerum Jun 2012 #8
Interesting hypothesis! I'll be in Boston later this year, I'll have to make some petronius Jun 2012 #10
NY too. Straw Man Jun 2012 #19
I had to wait 5 years for this law...hopefully the wait will be over ileus Jun 2012 #11
This kind of bill was JUST passed in Ohio recently. Nothing went awry and it was no big deal. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #12
I guess food sales will double/triple when all those folks who can't be separated from their guns Hoyt Jun 2012 #13
And you think thats a bad thing? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #14
I doubt it because NC is one of the worst hit states economically thanks to NAFTA but, Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #15
I always just drove across the border, or done the "Va tuck" ileus Jun 2012 #18
Surely you can point to rivers of blood in the states that already have this law? AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #26
I have no problem with this! in Kansas I can drink in a bar and have a gun. Like I can.... Logical Jun 2012 #27
In colonial days, many houses of drink, many "publick houses" made one.. citysyde Jun 2012 #28
I don't know about NC, but gejohnston Jun 2012 #29
"If you can stay sober, you know there's no reason to shoot off a weapon while eating. " PavePusher Jun 2012 #31
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
1. Well who feels safe in
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 07:59 PM
Jun 2012

Restaurants these days. There could be a wayward Lobster running around. A gun would come in handy in those cases.

petronius

(26,580 posts)
3. Here in CA it's illegal to spear, shoot, loop, or otherwise take a lobster with
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:07 PM
Jun 2012

anything other than your hands or a baited trap - that probably applies to feral restaurant lobsters as well...

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
9. are you saying
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jun 2012

PIs, valuables couriers, body guards, etc. shouldn't eat out while working? Shouldn't be up to the property owner instead of the State?

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
16. I bet these people wish they just had lobsters to deal with.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:46 PM
Jun 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

You should listen to this lady who watched her parents die in front of her there.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Thank you all
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jun 2012

I can't believe we live in a time where people don't feel safe unless they are carrying a gun. These are recipes for disaster.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. do you have any evidence of that?
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:56 PM
Jun 2012

Empirically, your evidence is nonexistent. More than that, the opposite seems to be the case.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
17. In what way?
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:57 PM
Jun 2012
I can't believe we live in a time where people don't feel safe unless they are carrying a gun.

You misunderstand the reason why most people carry or keep firearms.

They carry and keep firearms for the same reason they wear seat belts and own fire extinguishers and spare tires. It's not because they feel unsafe, but rather because it's cheap and easy to own the tools to mitigate the problems that come in the rare event that they are needed.

These are recipes for disaster.

How so? CCW permit holders are hardly ever involved in any kind of crime, let alone firearm-related crime.

Response to Meiko (Reply #20)

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
24. Suzanna Hupp! If it isn't everyone's favorite gun-nut anti-abortion right-wing Republican!
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jun 2012

Out of curiosity, do you count Grover Norquist as one of your heroes as well? And do there happen to be any Democrats that you approve of, or is it only right-wing Republicans?

spin

(17,493 posts)
25. The fact that she is a "gun nut" ...
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jun 2012

is understandable after her tragic experience in the Luby's massacre.

She not only lost both her parents but also 21 other people died and 20 more were injured because of the actions of George Hennard. It is quite possible that if a similar incident occurred today in a large restaurant in Texas there would be at least one individual who was legally carrying a firearm. That person could have engaged Hennard at close range and attracted his attention long enough to enable some people to escape or successfully stopped his attack.

I'm sure that some of the people who were in the restaurant on that day have a far different but also understandable view of gun control because of the experience and would prefer to see the civilian ownership of handguns banned.

I wouldn't call Hupp a hero, although she might have become one had she been illegally carrying her own handgun on that day. I do consider Hupp's 71 year old father a hero as he attempted to rush the shooter in order to subdue him.

Often people have personal experiences that shape their opinions on an issue. That's why I attempt to be respectful of the views of others who disagree with me.

An incident involving a person very close to me showed me just how useful a firearm can be for self defense against a home intruder who intended rape. Unfortunately I also have suffered the loss of a family member caused by a tragic accident that proved to me that mixing alcohol and firearms is a terrible idea even for a person well trained in gun safety.

As with many issues today, there are valid points to be made on both sides of the gun control debate.

There is no doubt that firearms are an excellent tool for self defense but at the same time they are extremely lethal and unforgiving when mishandled. They can save your life or your health from an attacker but they also can end your life or the life of another person if you forget for even one second just how deadly they can be.










 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
21. Nay, nay, thank YOU....
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 12:24 AM
Jun 2012

I can't believe we live in a time where people don't feel they need to back up their absurd assertions, insinuations and accusations with things like facts and evidence. THAT is truely a recipe for disaster.

bluerum

(6,109 posts)
8. We have lots of lobsters in MA. They are very well behaved
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jun 2012

in restaraunts and grocery stores. Possibly because concealed carry is allowed - even in venues serving alcohol.

petronius

(26,580 posts)
10. Interesting hypothesis! I'll be in Boston later this year, I'll have to make some
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jun 2012

detailed observations on lobster behavior (including flavor and texture) in multiple venues throughout MA and ME...

That's interesting that MA allows CCW in alcohol-serving establishments. I'd thought the state was generally on the more restrictive end of the spectrum, but perhaps my opinion is colored by Boston itself...

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
12. This kind of bill was JUST passed in Ohio recently. Nothing went awry and it was no big deal.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:43 PM
Jun 2012

Really, nothing changed here in ohio, despite the wringing of hands and wailing & gnashing of teeth from the anti-gun paranoids. It really is no different than the people being allowed to cary them everywhere else. In fact, it may be a bit of good thing now that people who DO choose to have a concealed firearm no longer have to take it off and leave it in the car... meaning less required handling of guns (less chance of accidental discharge while handling) and less likelihood of theft while unattended in a parking lot.

My wife and I, much to my protest, eat out all the time. Ever since the ohio "guns in bars" laws has passed, I've yet to see one gun out in public while eating. Mostly because, even if they're there, they're concealed/hidden. For the most part, as much as some are paranoid about it and don't want to see guns in public... the people that are carrying guns are paranoid about others not seeing them carry guns.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. I guess food sales will double/triple when all those folks who can't be separated from their guns
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jun 2012

realize they don't have to order home delivered pizza or Chinese anymore. The thought of life without their guns has been frightening. Thank god for the NRA and other right wing gun groups.

 

SGMRTDARMY

(599 posts)
14. And you think thats a bad thing?
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

Restaurant owners will love the increased revenue. Your blind hatred of those of us with CHL's has really clouded your thinking process.
You need to take a deep breath and calm down before you have a CVA (cerebral vascular accident, ie: stroke).

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
15. I doubt it because NC is one of the worst hit states economically thanks to NAFTA but,
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:51 PM
Jun 2012

you keep thanking the NRA now, ya hear.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
27. I have no problem with this! in Kansas I can drink in a bar and have a gun. Like I can....
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jun 2012

drive a 3000 pound auto and drink also. As long as I am not drunk both are legal.

 

citysyde

(74 posts)
28. In colonial days, many houses of drink, many "publick houses" made one..
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jun 2012

surrender their weapons upon entry.

I'm for that!

If you want a drink, leave your weapons at the door.

If you can stay sober, you know there's no reason to shoot off a weapon while eating.

If you want a drink while eating, you can't shoot a weapon, period.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
29. I don't know about NC, but
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 08:54 PM
Jun 2012

many states make it a felony to drink and carry. Although check your gun and car keys at the door may not be a bad idea. If you get plowed, your gun is returned cleared, zip tied, and in a complementary case minus ammo while the bouncer pours you in a cab.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
31. "If you can stay sober, you know there's no reason to shoot off a weapon while eating. "
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jun 2012

Did you watch the video? It would appear that you didn't... or that you think those were acceptable collateral damage for yourability to eat at a restaurant without being hysterical.

Whutevah.

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