Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumSOUTH CAROLINA: Governor Signs NRA-Backed Bill.
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/cgi-bin/web_bh10.exe?bill1=4494&session=119&summary=Thttp://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/7/south-carolina-governor-signs-essential-pro-gun-reform-legislation-into-law.aspx
That now makes 27 NRA backed bills that various states have enacted into law so far this year. The frontlash continues to roll. Yay!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)passed only five years after their handgun ban was repealed. Another classist with partly Jim Crow intent bites the dust. Ironic a conservative signed it when it was a bunch of dreadful right wingers, who put that wretched rag called a flag, over the state house.
bluerum
(6,109 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or are you saying you support a law passed by the same people that put the Army of Northern Virginia flag above the state house? This law had nothing to do with social progress or public safety, it was all about race and class. Just like their handgun ban which did not apply to "special deputies" which included the Klan and company thugs? You are supporting an anti labor and racist law.
http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1142&context=srhonorsprog
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)We are talking South Carolina towards the end of Jim Crow.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)You Have a Nice Day now.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Apparently, the example of the de facto ongoing purges amongst Republicans has been ignored...
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Please tell me you are not for real.
permatex
(1,299 posts)If you don't like this group, then why come here and post your little snarky remarks?
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)If so, I would remind you of the remark attributed to Pauline Kael in the wake of Richard Nixon's reelection in 1972:
"But everyone I know voted for McGovern."
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:16 PM - Edit history (2)
you have the capability to trash this group if it annoys you that much.
If you doubt what I said about getting banned in safe haven groups...we can test that theory. Go post exactly what you said in the HoF group
let us just see what happens.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Because you don't like RKBA?
because people are discussing things YOU don't like. If you don't like it here then don't come here. The arrogance of some people is staggering.
permatex
(1,299 posts)He was talking about some preacher who was trying to get a radio station shut down for something or the other, He said, Hey reverend, there are 2 knobs on the radio, one to turn it off, and one to CHANGE THE STATION, imagine that, you can turn it off or change the station.
This would apply to the poster.
Clames
(2,038 posts)And you are wrong...
Clames
(2,038 posts)I would love to hear one logical, scientifically supported reason from our resident gun-control extremists what such a law would accomplish. I look forward to the laughs they will induce....
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the law supported social progress and public safety, given the time and place it was written and passed.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Either way banning guns that don't melt at exactly that temperature is essential to preserving the safety of our children.
Why would civilians need such heat stable/labile weapons anyway?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)a right wing governor signed a law that repealed a law written and passed by a bunch right wing racists?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)racist NRA support it? S Carolina has never done a darn thing for minorities, and likely never will.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Ted Nugent's irrational rants aside, you made no valid point. When I was in SC in the early 1990s, it was more advanced than you give it credit for. Both of my kids were born in Sumter/Shaw AFB.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I'm sure you can find some serious dirt on anyone. What I wonder is if Ollie North like sitting next to Larry Craig now that is out of the closet?
permatex
(1,299 posts)Since when? He's a RW POS, but I've never heard him utter a racist word yet. Perhaps you can provide a link to any racists comments.
Thanks.
He's also a highly decorated Vietnam Veteran, not that that has anything to do with this thread, just thought I would throw that out there.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You on the other hand . . . . . . .
Does that mean that you agree the other NRA board members are racist, right wing scum? Or, what is your rationale for supporting them?
permatex
(1,299 posts)So, here we are again, show me the proof that I ever supported the management of the NRA.
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)with an A rating by the NRA? Name one that they donated money to? What percentage of the NRA membership is Black? If low, why? Why is the NRA trying to lynch a Black President and his Black AG? Why would a civil rights org like SPLC call out the NRA for inviting racist to speak?
UPDATE: Writing on the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hatewatch blog, SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok sharply criticized the NRA's decision to host Boykin:
The National Rifle Association (NRA) -- the powerful gun lobby that has called federal law enforcement agents "jack-booted thugs," accused President Obama of having secret plans to strip away Americans' guns, and been the main force behind the incredibly dangerous "Stand Your Ground" laws being used to justify the killing of Trayvon Martin -- is once again flaunting its political extremism.
This Sunday in St. Louis, the NRA plans to host retired Lt. Gen. William "Jerry" Boykin, a radical Islamophobe who has said there should be "no mosques in America," as keynote speaker of a prayer breakfast at its annual conference.
Why does the KKK support the NRA?
http://knightriderskkkk.org/
The Knight Riders, Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan PROUDLY Support the NRA. The Knight Riders are PROUD to Assist Law Enforcement in the PREVENTION of Criminal Activities in Neighborhoods and Towns. We Are a Non-Violent Christian Fraternal Order, All Members of the KnightRiders Are Law Abiding Citizens and Are Free of Drugs. WE, OBEY THE LAW and WE DO EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS AS WHITE CITIZENS of The United States Of America. It is NOT ILLEGAL TO BE PROUD THAT YOU ARE WHITE, always Remember that!!
Thanks and GOD BLESS!!!
Jesse Rogers
Imperial Night Hawk
Knight Riders, Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan
Any statements from the NRA leadership denouncing this?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:00 AM - Edit history (5)
and I'll show you an NRA A rating.
Because he is a Democrat. The board of directors are full of assholes. They said roughly the same thing about Clinton, Kerry, and probably would say it about Mitt if the convention turns into a floor fight in Tampa.
As for Trayvon Martin, the phrase trial by media comes to mind. The media is almost always wrong when it comes to pre trial coverage. This happened after the Florida media electronically lynched Casey Anthony, a case where jurors had their lives threatened even though the DA could not even show cause or time of death. I'm more than skeptical and pretty cynical when it comes to the media. So, this SPLC guy based his opinion on some bullshit the media claimed. I really don't see this as a race issue. Some things are not about race even though they may look it on the surface. Sometimes what you think is smoke turns out to be evaporating dry ice. On the other hand, if it doesn't look it surface doesn't mean it isn't about race. Smoke does not always mean fire. Some fires are smokeless, or at least you can't see the smoke.
If Martin's parents didn't have the money for a lawyer to publicize it, there would be no outrage. If Martin were were a white kid from a trailer park wearing a purple Mohawk, Zimmerman would probably would have reacted the same way. The only difference would be no addresses would be tweeted. Most of the websites, left and right, would be "trailer trash got what he deserved". That is assuming it became a national story, which it wouldn't because trailer dwellers can't hire lawyers to send out media releases and attract ideologues. Yes, I am saying the left has our share of bigots. It is just a "respectable bigotry". They are more open about it, they just deny it. George Orwell noticed the same thing in the UK, about why the rural and working class did not embrace socialism. The left is more open about its classism. That is part of why working class whites vote Republican. That is something, as Democrats, we have to fix.
As far as I know, the NRA said nothing about Zimmerman or Martin. At least, not that I have seen. SYG is irrelevant anyway because he is not using SYG as a defense so far. If he were, there would be an immunity hearing scheduled or has taken place. As I understand the law, that means his defense will be under DTR rules. There is nothing dangerous about SYG. It has been law in several states and on the federal level before Florida.
Are you saying the FF investigation would not be happening if Holder was white? If this happened before the big shuffle, Timmy G. would the one in the hot seat. My problem with Holder has nothing to do with race and has preceded FF. He is a corporate defense lawyer that has done nothing about Wall Street banksters, the miners Massey Energy murdered by disconnecting safety equipment. Then there is BP. Ed Mese was a right wing asshole, but at least he went after the banksters during the savings and loan scandal. That makes about 20 working class hicks and rednecks that have yet to get justice. Why isn't Spike Lee and Roesanne Barr tweeting those executives' addresses? Because they are hillbillies and rednecks. They are the wrong sub culture, wrong economic class, and live in the wrong parts of the country.
Mike Papantonio has the same problem with Holder, does that make Pap a racist? Since most if not all of the victims on the oil rig and mine where white, does that make Holder a racist? It sounds like you are using the same logic. No, I don't think Holder is racist and I'm not saying he is. I do think he is classist corportist who doesn't give a rat's ass about workers of any race.
Am I saying the NRA doesn't have racists and regular assholes on the board? of course not. Most of the ones I have heard about are fucking nuts in more ways than one and they need to be purged. But does that mean they reflect the entire membership? I doubt it.
One last thing, to give you a clue where I'm coming from. Where I grew up, everything was integrated even in the bad old days. Most of the big US cities I have spent time in, were not destinations during the great migration. That means the inner cities are just as white bread, with maybe a few more undocumented folks, as the suburbs. I go to housing projects even in Tampa, I have found pretty much the same. When I was younger and less traveled, I tended to wonder if the media wasn't racist by portraying only blacks in the inner cities. My point is, I do not equate "inner city" with "black". "rural" does not always mean "white", especially in the south.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fact is, you guys are willing to overlook some vile things to protect your guns and spread them.
HALO141
(911 posts)Spoonman
(1,761 posts)support the president?
By your standard, that would make President Obama a racist.
The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the NBPP as a "black racist" hate group.
(I don't belong to the NRA, I'm simply pointing out the ignorance on which you base your opinion)
safeinOhio
(32,641 posts)All I ever saw was that they were disappointed in the President.
The SPLC calls the KKK and the NBPP both hate groups.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)And the real BPP is not amused or as dismissive, but certainly pissed off about using the name.
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
They might be RW false flag complete with website. They might be real. The SPLC the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation seems to think such a group exists.
I'll stay agnostic on the subject for now.
Spoonman
(1,761 posts)You are way smarter than anyone at the Southern Poverty Law Center, and we know they are nothing more than a right wing think tank.
Were you oxygen deprived at some point in your life?
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/new-black-panther-party
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Out of all the despicable groups followed by SPLC, you are worried about a group that no one has really seen, and has never hurt anyone.
permatex
(1,299 posts)So who was that a few months ago offering a bounty on G. Zimmerman, you know, the one where they said dead or alive?
Was that the "mythical bunch" you speak of?
Is there no limit to your hypocrisy?
Spoonman
(1,761 posts)Hypocrisy would mean he had a conscious knowledge of reality.
I think he actually believes this shit.
permatex
(1,299 posts)Spoonman
(1,761 posts)is something I will not do.
"It's just so damn hard to do, 'cause you expect them to stop when they
are made to look like an idiot.
But they ARE an idiot.
That's how they ALWAYS look.
So they don't know to stop."
- unknown
Goodbye
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)From the famous Charleton Heston scene in Bowling for Columbine
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. funny, how America works ain't it.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)As of the 2010 census, the racial make up of the state is 66.2% White (64.1% non-Hispanic white), 27.9% Black or African American, 0.4% American Indian and Alaska Native, 1.3% Asian, 0.1% Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander, 1.7% from two or more races. 5.1% of the total population was of Hispanic or Latino origin (they may be of any race).[36]
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, as of 2009, South Carolina had an estimated population of 4,561,242, which is an increase of 57,962 from the prior year and an increase of 549,230, or 13.6%, since the year 2000. Immigration from outside the United States resulted in a net increase of 36,401 people, and migration within the country produced a net increase of 115,084 people. According to the University of South Carolina's Arnold School of Public Health, Consortium for Latino Immigration Studies, South Carolina's foreign-born population grew faster than any other state between 2000 and 2005.[37][38]
more at link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina#Demographics
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Bet most of them like "assault" weapons and such. Believe me, I know SC and my state.
permatex
(1,299 posts)whatever the fuck those are, are racist? Are you? C'mon Hoyt, quit dancing around what you really mean, man up and just say it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)the flag or the firearms? Because the way it came out sounded like those of us that own semi auto rifles are racist. I hope I'm wrong.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)guns will always be close by, we have to allow an even larger group of hardened racists to arm up. Sometimes the liberal folks just have to give up things, like their beloved guns, for the good of society. I hope at some point you guys will sacrifice your guns because we don't need to make it easy for bigots/racists/etc to arm up.
permatex
(1,299 posts)Thanks for revealing yourself.
Why do we have to give up an enumerated right? Because you don't think it's good for society? Who appointed you to determine whats good or not good for society?
I will never sacrifice my rights just because someone doesn't like it. I don't think your attitude toward legal gun owners is good for society so I hope you will sacrifice your 1A for the good of society because it makes it easy for bigots/racists/etc to spread their repugnant views.
See how blatantly fucking stupid that sounds?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Hoyt, please take my advice: Stop your public self-fornication. It may be your "right" but it sure ain't "right".
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Now, that's kind of ignorant -- don't you think!?
permatex
(1,299 posts)49 states, soon to be 50, have some form of CC, they don't think it's ignorant. Your on the losing end of the gun control issue.
Your blind hatred of gun owners, as evidenced by the numerous statements you've made, has so blinded you that you can't see the truth beyond your nose.
I just don't understand how someone can exude so much hate and still function.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)we're done here.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)hate with carrying a gun for defense or shooting at paper targets. The silhouette targets are derived from the military and have been around forever, I have used several target designs but never considered doing so hateful in anyway. It's just a piece of paper.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)then you wail that people are training.
You are a wailer.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Training to shoot people is kind of sick, don't you think?
It's simply training. Cutting people up is also pretty grisly and sick but I don't hear anyone accusing surgeons of being sick.
It's not what you do, necessarily, but how and why you do it that makes all the difference.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)folks' mind.
HALO141
(911 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)HALO141
(911 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)it would be nice if they were trained to do so, so as to minimise chances of any collateral damage.
Something else you wail about.
Hoyt, you have something in common with Oroboros: Your "logic" is circular and you keep biting your own hind end.
One would think you'd tire of the pain after a while.....
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)it's used to train shooters, the military type. What else would they be shooting at, gophers. There are many target styles available today and many can be downloaded for free off the internet. Just because a person uses a certain type of target that does not mean the shooter is being malicious with the exception of targets with real peoples faces on them. These kind of targets are a bit weird and not even allowed at many ranges. I don't know anyone who uses them.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)constantly insult, belittle, lie, and distort our views.
But ya know what?
Doesn't matter. Ya know why?
Because we have facts and a winning record and in the end, that's all that really counts.
DonP
(6,185 posts)He's got more people dying on his streets every week than we have dying in Afghanistan now. A 12 and 13 year old girl were shot day before yesterday and a 7 year old was buried.
And all that with not a single legal concealed carrier in the whole state.
Maybe they got the guns from Georgia? I hear their gun control sucks and no one does anything about it.
Funny how I haven't seen one post from you expressing your heartfelt "concern" about the steady stream of deaths in Chicago, after 30 or 40 posts about Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman? Why is that?
But then again, that's just one minority shooting another, some people don't seem to give a damn about that, since it's harder to use to promote your gun ban/gun control agenda.
permatex
(1,299 posts)you can't deny those zombie targets are designed to foster bigotry towards and hatred for the undead!
Meiko
(1,076 posts)like pizza too, what's your point. Not every gun owner is a racist and not every racist is a gun owner.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sometimes. They have other ways to do it as well, but not every gun owner is a racist. The only pizza I would consider truly dangerous would be Papa Johns, stuff's horrible.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Ask any RD/LD
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)really is none of your business. If I want to CC, that really and truly is none of you concern or business. Besides, how would you know if someone is minding their own business while carrying concealed? What, do you frisk everyone you suspect of carrying, do you call the police, do you hold them until the police arrive? Do tell.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)in public.
HALO141
(911 posts)Just because you feel compelled to insinuate yourself into everyone else's business and pressure them to adopt your value system doesn't mean you have the right to do so.
permatex
(1,299 posts)it really is none of your business. I've got to wonder why you've had so many problems with the CC people you've met?
Judging by your attitude here, it's no wonder you have run ins. Quit being a dick towards other people minding their own business and I'll bet that other people will quit being a dick towards you.
Ya know, jus sayin.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)His information is accurate.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)I watched the video, what's the big deal. As an instructional video it is somewhat amateurish but I don't see anything wrong with knowing about different firearms and ammo options. People need to be educated. It's the untrained uneducated CCW holder that represents a possible danger in my opinion. Everyone who carries should have training and be proficient with the weapon they are carrying, simple stuff.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)HALO141
(911 posts)If you'd make a genuine effort to limit your unfounded supposition you (and everyone else) would be a lot happier.
Response to Hoyt (Reply #22)
Tuesday Afternoon This message was self-deleted by its author.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Sumpter, and Florence? I saw few if any. A couple of people around here on the other hand......................
Either way, the law this one repealed was written and passed by those with that very same mentality.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)as usual. All that happened is that outdated laws were repealed.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that plague this country.
MLK said something about inappropriately melting guns in his Dream speech. I can't remember it at the moment but rest assured it's in there and it's pivotal to the civil rights movement.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)When he signed it he was probably thinking, "boy, this'll really put a knot in Hoyt's panties."
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Hopefully the Guv doesn't either.
DonP
(6,185 posts)"Keep your nose and hands out of other people pants" ... is a little too long for a bumper sticker, but it's still good advice.