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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 08:45 PM Jul 2012

SOUTH CAROLINA: Governor Signs NRA-Backed Bill.

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/cgi-bin/web_bh10.exe?bill1=4494&session=119&summary=T
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/7/south-carolina-governor-signs-essential-pro-gun-reform-legislation-into-law.aspx

South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley (R) signed House Bill 4494 into law on June 29, marking an end to South Carolina’s experiment with radical anti-gun policies in the 1970’s. This law, effective upon the Governor’s signature, repeals the prohibition on selling certain handguns that do not meet the arbitrary 800 degree melting-point standard, and the requirement for Federal Firearms License holders to be licensed with the state in order to sell handguns. H 4494 also brings South Carolina into conformity with federal law by allowing the sale of long guns in non-contiguous states to South Carolina residents.


That now makes 27 NRA backed bills that various states have enacted into law so far this year. The frontlash continues to roll. Yay!
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SOUTH CAROLINA: Governor Signs NRA-Backed Bill. (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 OP
1970 law banning less expensive pistols, gejohnston Jul 2012 #1
They are just falling over themselves signing on to nra backed legislation. bluerum Jul 2012 #2
Doesn't matter gejohnston Jul 2012 #3
This forum doesn't belong on DU...eom Kolesar Jul 2012 #5
so you are supporting a law written by a bunch of racists? gejohnston Jul 2012 #6
Why is that? oneshooter Jul 2012 #8
nice way to come into a group. Less than that will get you banned in some safe havens on here. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #13
We do tend to attract the self-appointed zampolits/Guardians of Progressivism, don't we? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #21
Are you for real? Kolesar Jul 2012 #53
That's the question we should be asking you. permatex Jul 2012 #54
Would you prefer to only hear from those you agree with? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #73
No. Please tell me that YOU are not for real. Rudest post I have seen in a while. You realize that Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #78
...the fuck you say...? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #14
Why? permatex Jul 2012 #24
Why Meiko Jul 2012 #25
Reminds me of a George Carlin routine several years ago permatex Jul 2012 #30
This is a group, not a forum. Clames Jul 2012 #27
800 degrees? Clames Jul 2012 #4
I'm looking forward the claims of gejohnston Jul 2012 #7
Is it that they can't melt above or below that point? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #74
Does it surprise anyone that So Carolina signed legislation backed by the right wing NRA? Hoyt Jul 2012 #9
does it surprise you that gejohnston Jul 2012 #10
My reading is that the new law is "good" for today's right wing racists. Why else would the Hoyt Jul 2012 #11
since the NRA as a whole is not racist, gejohnston Jul 2012 #12
Norquist, Ollie North, John Bolton, bob barr and worse run NRA. Hoyt Jul 2012 #19
I thought you were talking about the general membership. gejohnston Jul 2012 #45
Oliver North is a racist? permatex Jul 2012 #90
His appearances on FOX and use of words like "boy" to describe Obama are proof enough for me. Hoyt Jul 2012 #92
I don't watch FAUX, why do you? permatex Jul 2012 #93
Name one Black big city mayor safeinOhio Jul 2012 #23
Are there any who are "pro gun"? show me a big city mayor of any color that is pro gun gejohnston Jul 2012 #43
I doubt many are pro-gun. They recognize damage guns do. Gun culture just laughs. Hoyt Jul 2012 #46
Good post. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #57
Why does the New Black Panther Party Spoonman Jul 2012 #66
Where did they support him? safeinOhio Jul 2012 #72
The 7 members of the New Black Panther Party are just a myth, believed by right wing gun lovers. Hoyt Jul 2012 #76
someone is doing a good job in creating it. gejohnston Jul 2012 #79
Of course they are....... Spoonman Jul 2012 #88
So, do you carry guns to "protect" yourself against this mythical bunch? Hoyt Jul 2012 #89
Mythical bunch? permatex Jul 2012 #91
hypocrisy or idiocy? Spoonman Jul 2012 #96
I think you are right. nt. permatex Jul 2012 #97
Attempting to engage a raging delusional idiot in discourse Spoonman Jul 2012 #95
NRA head: We have gun violence in America because of "all the races" Kolesar Jul 2012 #55
Thanks for making my point gejohnston Jul 2012 #56
That... was stunning in it's stupidity. PavePusher Jul 2012 #15
Gotta admit, that's funny. Hoyt Jul 2012 #20
while it is good for them it is also good for everyone else. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #16
some facts for your perusal Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #17
Ever gone from greenville to Asheville, the confederate flags are noticeable. Hoyt Jul 2012 #22
Are you implying that those of us that own so called "assault weapons" permatex Jul 2012 #26
I'm saying racists like the damn things. Surely, you won't dispute that. Hoyt Jul 2012 #28
Racist like what? permatex Jul 2012 #29
Now that you mention it, both. I'm saying, to make the few here content their Hoyt Jul 2012 #31
An even larger group of hardened racists to arm up. permatex Jul 2012 #32
As you like to say -- that was a "predictable non-response. " Hoyt Jul 2012 #33
So, we should also give up free speech, so that racists can't promote their ideas? PavePusher Jul 2012 #35
Neither is toting. Heck, we prohibit cigarettes in most of public, but yahoos can carry guns. Hoyt Jul 2012 #36
No, I don't think that's ignorant. permatex Jul 2012 #38
"hate" is strapping on a gun before venturing out, shooting silhouette targets, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #39
Whatever you say Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #40
How can you relate Meiko Jul 2012 #42
That "piece of paper" is used to train shooting humans. Nice "hobby. " Hoyt Jul 2012 #44
You wail on about lack of training.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #47
I don't think training on silhouette targets is the kind of gun training anyone should promote. Hoyt Jul 2012 #51
No, it's not. HALO141 Jul 2012 #60
So, why do you train shooting people here in America? This isn't a war zone, well except in some Hoyt Jul 2012 #61
To stop the threat as quickly and efficiently as possible. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #69
What threat? Hoyt Jul 2012 #80
Please restate the question. HALO141 Jul 2012 #84
Well, if someone is ever in a situation where they have to shoot someone.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #64
And there it is- another endorsement of willful ignorance from our Hoyt.... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #102
No Meiko Jul 2012 #86
This is not a war zone. But some in the gun culture take that view. Hoyt Jul 2012 #87
And those in the anti gun culture permatex Jul 2012 #94
Really? Who? HALO141 Jul 2012 #98
Not a war zone? - Gee, that'll be news to Rahm in Chicago DonP Jul 2012 #99
Well said Sir. permatex Jul 2012 #100
Yeah, but HALO141 Jul 2012 #71
Some racists probably Meiko Jul 2012 #34
Racists use guns to intimidate. Pizza, not as dangerous. Hoyt Jul 2012 #37
Yes they do Meiko Jul 2012 #41
Pizza and pizza related components kill lots of Americans every year. ileus Jul 2012 #49
When you start strapping one on to venture out into public, we can discuss here. Hoyt Jul 2012 #50
What we or I strap on to venture out into public permatex Jul 2012 #52
Yes, it is my business and every other citizens' too. We don't need people like this walking around Hoyt Jul 2012 #58
Again... No, it's not. HALO141 Jul 2012 #62
Despite what you may think or believe permatex Jul 2012 #67
What's wrong with the video? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #81
People like what? Meiko Jul 2012 #101
Both can burn you. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #85
Ya know, Hoyt... HALO141 Jul 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #77
Ever been to Columbia, gejohnston Jul 2012 #82
Been there too often. I think "Borat" pretty much nailed the frat boys at Unv South Carolina. Hoyt Jul 2012 #83
And your reading of it would be wrong permatex Jul 2012 #18
Only by banning guns that melt at a specific temperature can we hope to fix the racial scars 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #75
Maybe the S.Carolina Gov trolls in the Gungeon. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #48
Hahah HALO141 Jul 2012 #63
Yeeeesh.... unlike Hoyt, I don't want to know what's in random strangers pants. PavePusher Jul 2012 #65
Nicely, and accurately, phrased DonP Jul 2012 #68
Good one. permatex Jul 2012 #70

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. 1970 law banning less expensive pistols,
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:08 PM
Jul 2012

passed only five years after their handgun ban was repealed. Another classist with partly Jim Crow intent bites the dust. Ironic a conservative signed it when it was a bunch of dreadful right wingers, who put that wretched rag called a flag, over the state house.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
3. Doesn't matter
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:16 PM
Jul 2012

or are you saying you support a law passed by the same people that put the Army of Northern Virginia flag above the state house? This law had nothing to do with social progress or public safety, it was all about race and class. Just like their handgun ban which did not apply to "special deputies" which included the Klan and company thugs? You are supporting an anti labor and racist law.
http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1142&context=srhonorsprog

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
6. so you are supporting a law written by a bunch of racists?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:43 PM
Jul 2012

We are talking South Carolina towards the end of Jim Crow.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
13. nice way to come into a group. Less than that will get you banned in some safe havens on here.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:04 PM
Jul 2012

You Have a Nice Day now.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
21. We do tend to attract the self-appointed zampolits/Guardians of Progressivism, don't we?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:56 PM
Jul 2012

Apparently, the example of the de facto ongoing purges amongst Republicans has been ignored...

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
54. That's the question we should be asking you.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:50 AM
Jul 2012

If you don't like this group, then why come here and post your little snarky remarks?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
73. Would you prefer to only hear from those you agree with?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jul 2012

If so, I would remind you of the remark attributed to Pauline Kael in the wake of Richard Nixon's reelection in 1972:
"But everyone I know voted for McGovern."

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
78. No. Please tell me that YOU are not for real. Rudest post I have seen in a while. You realize that
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 07:16 PM - Edit history (2)

you have the capability to trash this group if it annoys you that much.

If you doubt what I said about getting banned in safe haven groups...we can test that theory. Go post exactly what you said in the HoF group

This forum doesn't belong on DU...eom



let us just see what happens.
 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
25. Why
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:04 PM
Jul 2012

because people are discussing things YOU don't like. If you don't like it here then don't come here. The arrogance of some people is staggering.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
30. Reminds me of a George Carlin routine several years ago
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jul 2012

He was talking about some preacher who was trying to get a radio station shut down for something or the other, He said, Hey reverend, there are 2 knobs on the radio, one to turn it off, and one to CHANGE THE STATION, imagine that, you can turn it off or change the station.
This would apply to the poster.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
4. 800 degrees?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:30 PM
Jul 2012

I would love to hear one logical, scientifically supported reason from our resident gun-control extremists what such a law would accomplish. I look forward to the laughs they will induce....

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. I'm looking forward the claims of
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

the law supported social progress and public safety, given the time and place it was written and passed.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
74. Is it that they can't melt above or below that point?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jul 2012

Either way banning guns that don't melt at exactly that temperature is essential to preserving the safety of our children.

Why would civilians need such heat stable/labile weapons anyway?

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
10. does it surprise you that
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jul 2012

a right wing governor signed a law that repealed a law written and passed by a bunch right wing racists?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. My reading is that the new law is "good" for today's right wing racists. Why else would the
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 09:57 PM
Jul 2012

racist NRA support it? S Carolina has never done a darn thing for minorities, and likely never will.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
12. since the NRA as a whole is not racist,
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jul 2012

Ted Nugent's irrational rants aside, you made no valid point. When I was in SC in the early 1990s, it was more advanced than you give it credit for. Both of my kids were born in Sumter/Shaw AFB.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
45. I thought you were talking about the general membership.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:48 AM
Jul 2012

I'm sure you can find some serious dirt on anyone. What I wonder is if Ollie North like sitting next to Larry Craig now that is out of the closet?

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
90. Oliver North is a racist?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:23 AM
Jul 2012

Since when? He's a RW POS, but I've never heard him utter a racist word yet. Perhaps you can provide a link to any racists comments.
Thanks.
He's also a highly decorated Vietnam Veteran, not that that has anything to do with this thread, just thought I would throw that out there.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
92. His appearances on FOX and use of words like "boy" to describe Obama are proof enough for me.
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:30 AM
Jul 2012

You on the other hand . . . . . . .

Does that mean that you agree the other NRA board members are racist, right wing scum? Or, what is your rationale for supporting them?

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
93. I don't watch FAUX, why do you?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:33 AM
Jul 2012

So, here we are again, show me the proof that I ever supported the management of the NRA.

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
23. Name one Black big city mayor
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jul 2012

with an A rating by the NRA? Name one that they donated money to? What percentage of the NRA membership is Black? If low, why? Why is the NRA trying to lynch a Black President and his Black AG? Why would a civil rights org like SPLC call out the NRA for inviting racist to speak?
UPDATE: Writing on the Southern Poverty Law Center's Hatewatch blog, SPLC senior fellow Mark Potok sharply criticized the NRA's decision to host Boykin:
The National Rifle Association (NRA) -- the powerful gun lobby that has called federal law enforcement agents "jack-booted thugs," accused President Obama of having secret plans to strip away Americans' guns, and been the main force behind the incredibly dangerous "Stand Your Ground" laws being used to justify the killing of Trayvon Martin -- is once again flaunting its political extremism.
This Sunday in St. Louis, the NRA plans to host retired Lt. Gen. William "Jerry" Boykin, a radical Islamophobe who has said there should be "no mosques in America," as keynote speaker of a prayer breakfast at its annual conference.

Why does the KKK support the NRA?
http://knightriderskkkk.org/
   The Knight Riders, Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan PROUDLY Support the NRA. The Knight Riders are PROUD to Assist Law Enforcement in the PREVENTION of Criminal Activities in Neighborhoods and Towns. We Are a Non-Violent Christian Fraternal Order, All Members of the KnightRiders Are Law Abiding Citizens and Are Free of Drugs. WE, OBEY THE LAW and WE DO EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS AS WHITE CITIZENS of The United States Of America. It is NOT ILLEGAL TO BE PROUD THAT YOU ARE WHITE, always Remember that!!

Thanks and GOD BLESS!!!
 Jesse Rogers
 Imperial Night Hawk
 Knight Riders, Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan

Any statements from the NRA leadership denouncing this?

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
43. Are there any who are "pro gun"? show me a big city mayor of any color that is pro gun
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:46 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:00 AM - Edit history (5)

and I'll show you an NRA A rating.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) -- the powerful gun lobby that has called federal law enforcement agents "jack-booted thugs," accused President Obama of having secret plans to strip away Americans' guns, and been the main force behind the incredibly dangerous "Stand Your Ground" laws being used to justify the killing of Trayvon Martin -- is once again flaunting its political extremism.
It was a time when the ATF was caught violating people's civil rights. That was during Poppy's term. The ATF is not the paragon of equal opportunity and harmony, so I don't know why you are defending the ATF. I'm sure NORML has some choice terms for the DEA.
Because he is a Democrat. The board of directors are full of assholes. They said roughly the same thing about Clinton, Kerry, and probably would say it about Mitt if the convention turns into a floor fight in Tampa.
As for Trayvon Martin, the phrase trial by media comes to mind. The media is almost always wrong when it comes to pre trial coverage. This happened after the Florida media electronically lynched Casey Anthony, a case where jurors had their lives threatened even though the DA could not even show cause or time of death. I'm more than skeptical and pretty cynical when it comes to the media. So, this SPLC guy based his opinion on some bullshit the media claimed. I really don't see this as a race issue. Some things are not about race even though they may look it on the surface. Sometimes what you think is smoke turns out to be evaporating dry ice. On the other hand, if it doesn't look it surface doesn't mean it isn't about race. Smoke does not always mean fire. Some fires are smokeless, or at least you can't see the smoke.
If Martin's parents didn't have the money for a lawyer to publicize it, there would be no outrage. If Martin were were a white kid from a trailer park wearing a purple Mohawk, Zimmerman would probably would have reacted the same way. The only difference would be no addresses would be tweeted. Most of the websites, left and right, would be "trailer trash got what he deserved". That is assuming it became a national story, which it wouldn't because trailer dwellers can't hire lawyers to send out media releases and attract ideologues. Yes, I am saying the left has our share of bigots. It is just a "respectable bigotry". They are more open about it, they just deny it. George Orwell noticed the same thing in the UK, about why the rural and working class did not embrace socialism. The left is more open about its classism. That is part of why working class whites vote Republican. That is something, as Democrats, we have to fix.
As far as I know, the NRA said nothing about Zimmerman or Martin. At least, not that I have seen. SYG is irrelevant anyway because he is not using SYG as a defense so far. If he were, there would be an immunity hearing scheduled or has taken place. As I understand the law, that means his defense will be under DTR rules. There is nothing dangerous about SYG. It has been law in several states and on the federal level before Florida.

The Knight Riders, Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan PROUDLY Support the NRA. The Knight Riders are PROUD to Assist Law Enforcement in the PREVENTION of Criminal Activities in Neighborhoods and Towns. We Are a Non-Violent Christian Fraternal Order, All Members of the KnightRiders Are Law Abiding Citizens and Are Free of Drugs. WE, OBEY THE LAW and WE DO EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS AS WHITE CITIZENS of The United States Of America. It is NOT ILLEGAL TO BE PROUD THAT YOU ARE WHITE, always Remember that!!

Thanks and GOD BLESS!!!
 Jesse Rogers
 Imperial Night Hawk
 Knight Riders, Knights Of The Ku Klux Klan
To paraphrase a line in the movie "Big Jake", I thought they were dead. Maybe the NRA has, maybe they never heard of these guys either. I'm not on the NRA's mailing list, so I don't know. If the NRA did, I seriously doubt we would read about it in Think Progress. I'm cynical of all ideologies. The problem with ideologues, left and right, if the truth doesn't serve the purpose, it get omitted or distorted. I'm not a big fan of guilt by association.

Are you saying the FF investigation would not be happening if Holder was white? If this happened before the big shuffle, Timmy G. would the one in the hot seat. My problem with Holder has nothing to do with race and has preceded FF. He is a corporate defense lawyer that has done nothing about Wall Street banksters, the miners Massey Energy murdered by disconnecting safety equipment. Then there is BP. Ed Mese was a right wing asshole, but at least he went after the banksters during the savings and loan scandal. That makes about 20 working class hicks and rednecks that have yet to get justice. Why isn't Spike Lee and Roesanne Barr tweeting those executives' addresses? Because they are hillbillies and rednecks. They are the wrong sub culture, wrong economic class, and live in the wrong parts of the country.
Mike Papantonio has the same problem with Holder, does that make Pap a racist? Since most if not all of the victims on the oil rig and mine where white, does that make Holder a racist? It sounds like you are using the same logic. No, I don't think Holder is racist and I'm not saying he is. I do think he is classist corportist who doesn't give a rat's ass about workers of any race.

Am I saying the NRA doesn't have racists and regular assholes on the board? of course not. Most of the ones I have heard about are fucking nuts in more ways than one and they need to be purged. But does that mean they reflect the entire membership? I doubt it.

One last thing, to give you a clue where I'm coming from. Where I grew up, everything was integrated even in the bad old days. Most of the big US cities I have spent time in, were not destinations during the great migration. That means the inner cities are just as white bread, with maybe a few more undocumented folks, as the suburbs. I go to housing projects even in Tampa, I have found pretty much the same. When I was younger and less traveled, I tended to wonder if the media wasn't racist by portraying only blacks in the inner cities. My point is, I do not equate "inner city" with "black". "rural" does not always mean "white", especially in the south.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
46. I doubt many are pro-gun. They recognize damage guns do. Gun culture just laughs.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 06:05 AM
Jul 2012

Fact is, you guys are willing to overlook some vile things to protect your guns and spread them.

 

Spoonman

(1,761 posts)
66. Why does the New Black Panther Party
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jul 2012

support the president?

By your standard, that would make President Obama a racist.

The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the NBPP as a "black racist" hate group.

(I don't belong to the NRA, I'm simply pointing out the ignorance on which you base your opinion)

safeinOhio

(32,641 posts)
72. Where did they support him?
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jul 2012

All I ever saw was that they were disappointed in the President.

The SPLC calls the KKK and the NBPP both hate groups.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
76. The 7 members of the New Black Panther Party are just a myth, believed by right wing gun lovers.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jul 2012

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
79. someone is doing a good job in creating it.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:19 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.cbpm.org/nbpp.html

And the real BPP is not amused or as dismissive, but certainly pissed off about using the name.
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm

They might be RW false flag complete with website. They might be real. The SPLC the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation seems to think such a group exists.

I'll stay agnostic on the subject for now.
 

Spoonman

(1,761 posts)
88. Of course they are.......
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:05 AM
Jul 2012

You are way smarter than anyone at the Southern Poverty Law Center, and we know they are nothing more than a right wing think tank.

Were you oxygen deprived at some point in your life?


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/new-black-panther-party

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.



 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
89. So, do you carry guns to "protect" yourself against this mythical bunch?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:17 AM
Jul 2012

Out of all the despicable groups followed by SPLC, you are worried about a group that no one has really seen, and has never hurt anyone.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
91. Mythical bunch?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jul 2012

So who was that a few months ago offering a bounty on G. Zimmerman, you know, the one where they said dead or alive?
Was that the "mythical bunch" you speak of?

Is there no limit to your hypocrisy?

 

Spoonman

(1,761 posts)
96. hypocrisy or idiocy?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:51 AM
Jul 2012

Hypocrisy would mean he had a conscious knowledge of reality.

I think he actually believes this shit.

 

Spoonman

(1,761 posts)
95. Attempting to engage a raging delusional idiot in discourse
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:47 AM
Jul 2012

is something I will not do.

"It's just so damn hard to do, 'cause you expect them to stop when they
are made to look like an idiot.
But they ARE an idiot.
That's how they ALWAYS look.
So they don't know to stop."

- unknown

Goodbye

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
55. NRA head: We have gun violence in America because of "all the races"
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:30 AM
Jul 2012

From the famous Charleton Heston scene in Bowling for Columbine

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
56. Thanks for making my point
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 10:46 AM
Jul 2012
Heston campaigned for Presidential candidate Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960.[23] Reportedly, when an Oklahoma movie theater premiering his movie El Cid was segregated, he joined a picket line outside in 1961.[24] Heston makes no reference to this in his autobiography, but describes traveling to Oklahoma City to picket segregated restaurants, much to the chagrin of Allied Artists, the producers of El Cid.[25] During the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom held in Washington, D.C. in 1963, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. In later speeches, Heston said he helped the civil rights cause "long before Hollywood found it fashionable."[26]
Even though he did swing to the right 15 years later, I doubt he swung that far.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
16. while it is good for them it is also good for everyone else.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:24 PM
Jul 2012

sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. funny, how America works ain't it.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
17. some facts for your perusal
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jul 2012

As of the 2010 census, the racial make up of the state is 66.2% White (64.1% non-Hispanic white), 27.9% Black or African American, 0.4% American Indian and Alaska Native, 1.3% Asian, 0.1% Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander, 1.7% from two or more races. 5.1% of the total population was of Hispanic or Latino origin (they may be of any race).[36]

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, as of 2009, South Carolina had an estimated population of 4,561,242, which is an increase of 57,962 from the prior year and an increase of 549,230, or 13.6%, since the year 2000. Immigration from outside the United States resulted in a net increase of 36,401 people, and migration within the country produced a net increase of 115,084 people. According to the University of South Carolina's Arnold School of Public Health, Consortium for Latino Immigration Studies, South Carolina's foreign-born population grew faster than any other state between 2000 and 2005.[37][38]

more at link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina#Demographics

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. Ever gone from greenville to Asheville, the confederate flags are noticeable.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:58 PM
Jul 2012

Bet most of them like "assault" weapons and such. Believe me, I know SC and my state.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
26. Are you implying that those of us that own so called "assault weapons"
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:04 PM
Jul 2012

whatever the fuck those are, are racist? Are you? C'mon Hoyt, quit dancing around what you really mean, man up and just say it.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
29. Racist like what?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:19 PM
Jul 2012

the flag or the firearms? Because the way it came out sounded like those of us that own semi auto rifles are racist. I hope I'm wrong.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. Now that you mention it, both. I'm saying, to make the few here content their
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jul 2012

guns will always be close by, we have to allow an even larger group of hardened racists to arm up. Sometimes the liberal folks just have to give up things, like their beloved guns, for the good of society. I hope at some point you guys will sacrifice your guns because we don't need to make it easy for bigots/racists/etc to arm up.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
32. An even larger group of hardened racists to arm up.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:35 PM
Jul 2012

Thanks for revealing yourself.
Why do we have to give up an enumerated right? Because you don't think it's good for society? Who appointed you to determine whats good or not good for society?
I will never sacrifice my rights just because someone doesn't like it. I don't think your attitude toward legal gun owners is good for society so I hope you will sacrifice your 1A for the good of society because it makes it easy for bigots/racists/etc to spread their repugnant views.
See how blatantly fucking stupid that sounds?

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
35. So, we should also give up free speech, so that racists can't promote their ideas?
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:45 PM
Jul 2012

Hoyt, please take my advice: Stop your public self-fornication. It may be your "right" but it sure ain't "right".

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. Neither is toting. Heck, we prohibit cigarettes in most of public, but yahoos can carry guns.
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jul 2012

Now, that's kind of ignorant -- don't you think!?

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
38. No, I don't think that's ignorant.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:06 AM
Jul 2012

49 states, soon to be 50, have some form of CC, they don't think it's ignorant. Your on the losing end of the gun control issue.
Your blind hatred of gun owners, as evidenced by the numerous statements you've made, has so blinded you that you can't see the truth beyond your nose.
I just don't understand how someone can exude so much hate and still function.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
42. How can you relate
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:42 AM
Jul 2012

hate with carrying a gun for defense or shooting at paper targets. The silhouette targets are derived from the military and have been around forever, I have used several target designs but never considered doing so hateful in anyway. It's just a piece of paper.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
47. You wail on about lack of training....
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:41 AM
Jul 2012

then you wail that people are training.

You are a wailer.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
51. I don't think training on silhouette targets is the kind of gun training anyone should promote.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:32 AM
Jul 2012

Training to shoot people is kind of sick, don't you think?

HALO141

(911 posts)
60. No, it's not.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:41 AM
Jul 2012

It's simply training. Cutting people up is also pretty grisly and sick but I don't hear anyone accusing surgeons of being sick.

It's not what you do, necessarily, but how and why you do it that makes all the difference.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
61. So, why do you train shooting people here in America? This isn't a war zone, well except in some
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jul 2012

folks' mind.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
64. Well, if someone is ever in a situation where they have to shoot someone....
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:52 AM
Jul 2012

it would be nice if they were trained to do so, so as to minimise chances of any collateral damage.

Something else you wail about.

Hoyt, you have something in common with Oroboros: Your "logic" is circular and you keep biting your own hind end.

One would think you'd tire of the pain after a while.....

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
86. No
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:39 PM
Jul 2012

it's used to train shooters, the military type. What else would they be shooting at, gophers. There are many target styles available today and many can be downloaded for free off the internet. Just because a person uses a certain type of target that does not mean the shooter is being malicious with the exception of targets with real peoples faces on them. These kind of targets are a bit weird and not even allowed at many ranges. I don't know anyone who uses them.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
94. And those in the anti gun culture
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jul 2012

constantly insult, belittle, lie, and distort our views.
But ya know what?
Doesn't matter. Ya know why?
Because we have facts and a winning record and in the end, that's all that really counts.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
99. Not a war zone? - Gee, that'll be news to Rahm in Chicago
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:05 AM
Jul 2012

He's got more people dying on his streets every week than we have dying in Afghanistan now. A 12 and 13 year old girl were shot day before yesterday and a 7 year old was buried.

And all that with not a single legal concealed carrier in the whole state.

Maybe they got the guns from Georgia? I hear their gun control sucks and no one does anything about it.

Funny how I haven't seen one post from you expressing your heartfelt "concern" about the steady stream of deaths in Chicago, after 30 or 40 posts about Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman? Why is that?

But then again, that's just one minority shooting another, some people don't seem to give a damn about that, since it's harder to use to promote your gun ban/gun control agenda.

HALO141

(911 posts)
71. Yeah, but
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jul 2012

you can't deny those zombie targets are designed to foster bigotry towards and hatred for the undead!

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
34. Some racists probably
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jul 2012

like pizza too, what's your point. Not every gun owner is a racist and not every racist is a gun owner.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
41. Yes they do
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:35 AM
Jul 2012

sometimes. They have other ways to do it as well, but not every gun owner is a racist. The only pizza I would consider truly dangerous would be Papa Johns, stuff's horrible.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
52. What we or I strap on to venture out into public
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jul 2012

really is none of your business. If I want to CC, that really and truly is none of you concern or business. Besides, how would you know if someone is minding their own business while carrying concealed? What, do you frisk everyone you suspect of carrying, do you call the police, do you hold them until the police arrive? Do tell.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
58. Yes, it is my business and every other citizens' too. We don't need people like this walking around
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jul 2012

in public.

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HALO141

(911 posts)
62. Again... No, it's not.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jul 2012

Just because you feel compelled to insinuate yourself into everyone else's business and pressure them to adopt your value system doesn't mean you have the right to do so.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
67. Despite what you may think or believe
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:13 PM
Jul 2012

it really is none of your business. I've got to wonder why you've had so many problems with the CC people you've met?
Judging by your attitude here, it's no wonder you have run ins. Quit being a dick towards other people minding their own business and I'll bet that other people will quit being a dick towards you.

Ya know, jus sayin.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
101. People like what?
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jul 2012

I watched the video, what's the big deal. As an instructional video it is somewhat amateurish but I don't see anything wrong with knowing about different firearms and ammo options. People need to be educated. It's the untrained uneducated CCW holder that represents a possible danger in my opinion. Everyone who carries should have training and be proficient with the weapon they are carrying, simple stuff.

HALO141

(911 posts)
59. Ya know, Hoyt...
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jul 2012

If you'd make a genuine effort to limit your unfounded supposition you (and everyone else) would be a lot happier.

Response to Hoyt (Reply #22)

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
82. Ever been to Columbia,
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:23 PM
Jul 2012

Sumpter, and Florence? I saw few if any. A couple of people around here on the other hand......................

Either way, the law this one repealed was written and passed by those with that very same mentality.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
83. Been there too often. I think "Borat" pretty much nailed the frat boys at Unv South Carolina.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jul 2012
 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
18. And your reading of it would be wrong
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jul 2012

as usual. All that happened is that outdated laws were repealed.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
75. Only by banning guns that melt at a specific temperature can we hope to fix the racial scars
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jul 2012

that plague this country.

MLK said something about inappropriately melting guns in his Dream speech. I can't remember it at the moment but rest assured it's in there and it's pivotal to the civil rights movement.

HALO141

(911 posts)
63. Hahah
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

When he signed it he was probably thinking, "boy, this'll really put a knot in Hoyt's panties."

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
65. Yeeeesh.... unlike Hoyt, I don't want to know what's in random strangers pants.
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:01 PM
Jul 2012

Hopefully the Guv doesn't either.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
68. Nicely, and accurately, phrased
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:25 PM
Jul 2012

"Keep your nose and hands out of other people pants" ... is a little too long for a bumper sticker, but it's still good advice.

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