The NRA has 4.3 million members

[DainBramaged]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association


In reality a fringe group, like the number of people who watch Fox News. A minority. A minority that bullies the rest of the population because they use fear and intimidation with guns.


After Thursday night, I don't think America will fear them any longer.


Have a nice life.

[gejohnston]

1. Brady Campaign has 28,000 members

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign

In reality a fringe astroturf group of rich people and a foundation, fewer than watch the Golf Channel. A minority. A minority that tries to bully the rest of the population because they use fear, paranoia, and dishonesty to achieve their ends.

[shadowrider]

59. And only 2 (That I know of), on this site, who admit to donating.

I once put up a thread asking what anti-gun organizations the talibanners belong to. AFAICR, no one, not one, admitted it, but they're excellent keyboard commandos.

[permatex]

2. There are 4.1 million NRA members who actively engage their representatives

through the NRA, so far they do a pretty damn good job and I don't see any change. Also, there are 76 million more gun owners who are not NRA members, think we're going to stand idly by while the likes of you try to erode our 2A right?

[DainBramaged]

3. Is that some sort of threat or attempt (poor to say the least) to bully us?

You are a tribute to your membership.

[permatex]

4. I haven't been an NRA member since the 90's

I am more of a SAF guy.
No threat, a promise. I and millions of gun owners will be out there writing our reps, donating to pro gun dems, which, in my state, our Dem is really good on the 2A and just happens to be the Sen. Majority Leader.
We will do everything in our power to counter people like you who would try to erode our 2A.
Clear enough?

[DainBramaged]

6. People like me? Sounds veiled now.

Pal, YOU are the reason I donate to anti-gun causes.


Threatening people on DU isn't something we take lightly.

[gejohnston]

9. not threatening,

but is defiance to cultural genocide.
you are one of two who actually admit to giving money to Brady.

[DainBramaged]

11. Why shouldn't I I disagree with most of the NRA and their hacks

You can buy a rifle or shotgun in England, but they don't MURDER each other like we do. I wonder why?


They have sane gun laws. They don't worry about walking down the street and wondering if the person they just passed has a gun.


I stay out of concealed carry states because too many people with too many guns. Period. I'm not afraid of criminals, I'm afraid of heroes.

[permatex]

13. So that means you only visit or live in 1 state?

You do know that 49 of the 50 states have some sort of conceal carry laws don't you? Pretty soon you won't be able to go to any state as IL will soon have a conceal carry law on the books.

[gejohnston]

14. They had lower murder rates before any gun laws

and their gun laws are hardly sane or reasonable. You also picked one of the most violent countries in Europe. I lean more towards the Czech Republic.

[gejohnston]

20. post script

I stay out of concealed carry states because too many people with too many guns.

Ever been to Vermont? They have the laxest gun laws in the US, laxer than Arizona. It is also the safest. We never locked our doors in Wyoming, and I could ride my bike anywhere in the city day or night safely. My brother's grand kids still can. Now, shall we discuss DC?

[permatex]

12. Nice mail you sent me

You really need to get ahold of your anger at others who have a difference of opinion than yours.
But I expect that from people like you. Doesn't bother me, I'm a big boy, I can take it if thats what satifies you.
And BTW, no threat intended, it thats the way you want to take it, have at it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=409303

thought I would share this lovely mail with everyone.

[gejohnston]

15. can't see it, please copy and paste.

[permatex]

16. I hope this works

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=409303

[permatex]

19. Did the link work?

[gejohnston]

21. nope

it says "not your message"

[permatex]

22. Ok here it is

From Dainbramaged as received at 5:14pm

Fuck you with the threats pal
I'll be her long after you're tombstoned.
Typical threaten over the internet.

Word for word.

[gejohnston]

23. classy

can't tell defiance from a threat. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[virginia mountainman]

26. Thats funny Permatex!!

Typical tactic of the authoritarian type, don't let them scare you from supporting our civil liberties. They are actually very harmless, and only get shriller.

[permatex]

30. Thank you

I don't back down. Where he got the idea I was threatening him I have no clue.
I wasn't sure if I would get in trouble by the admins for posting a recieved mail from another DU'er, but I thought it needed to be posted for all to see.

[virginia mountainman]

32. You did the right thing,

By posting it for all to see, we can see just what kind of person DainBramaged is.

[Kaleva]

33. You ought to alert on the PM you got.

[permatex]

34. I thought about it

but then I thought that it's better that I post it and let all see him for what he is.

[Kaleva]

35. It's your decision.

But I think Admin ought to be aware of those who are using PMs to attack others.

[permatex]

36. I'm not even quite sure how I would do that

I couldn't even get my link to work, I had to type it out.

[Kaleva]

40. At the bottom right hand corner of the PM you got is the option to "Alert Abuse"

[permatex]

41. Thanks

I'm now leaning towards it.

[GarroHorus]

37. WOW

Never figured that person to be like that.

I'll remember that PM for a long long time.

[permatex]

39. I guess I struck a nerve.

It wasn't my intention to.

[Tejas]

42. YUP, sure got quiet LOL!

Any red or green dots on your body that don't belong there? You're on a list now for sure!

[permatex]

44. That's why I put my old flak vest from Nam on

just in case.

[DonP]

50. Now that's truly thuggish behavior and a threat

That's a level of ignorance such that his Mom should take away his keyboard and X-box controller for a day.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

52. you should send that to the Admin. n/t

[permatex]

53. Already sent.

[samsingh]

51. I don't think it's anger more like frustration at all the innocent people

Getting slaughtered by guns

Gun supporters ask us to be non emotional about people getting killed yet howl at any thought of some controls on their inanimate lovers

[permatex]

54. Did you even read the pm he sent me?

That was hate pure and simple. He went over the top. Stop making excuses. Suppose I, as a pro 2A supporter, had sent him a pm like that? Would you be saying the same thing? I think not.
Just your little insult of "inanimate lovers" says all I need to know.
Y'all just can't resist, can you?

[samsingh]

57. U still haven't talked about the victims

Do u have a proposal to bring the kill count down to 0?

[permatex]

58. What's that got to do with his hateful pm to me?

[samsingh]

63. can't answer a simple question, can you? it's all about you.

[permatex]

64. Why would I take anything you say seriously?

You defend his pm to me, you throw your little insults about gun owners like "inanimate lovers".
You don't want to have a conversation, you just want to insult and belittle us.
Have a good day.

[shadowrider]

65. Standard fare for talibanners. n/t

[samsingh]

67. you don't have an answer. stop pretending you do in all your other insulting posts. have a good day.

[samsingh]

68. oh and you aren't sharing an anwser with me - such an answer would save lives

[GreenStormCloud]

70. Your belief that it would save lives is very naive.

You want a more peaceful world. That is good. You think that by restricting access to things that can be used to hurt othesr that people like the Batman killer can be stopped. That is naive. He spent months planning the crime. He had a determination to do what he did. He would have found a way around any gun ban, or he would have used other MORE lethal (and cheaper) means for mass murder. Some years ago an arsonist killed 87 people at a night club using gasoline and a match. Do you want to restrict access to gasoline to stop such crimes?

The Batman killer left booby-trapped bombs in his apartment. Be glad he didn't use bombs in the theater.

Determination and ingenuity will find a way around any roadblocks that you may erect. You will only succeed in annoying the law-abiding.

[samsingh]

87. good point

[Kaleva]

61. The OP hasn't put forth a reasonable proposal that would do such a thing.

[virginia mountainman]

24. Pal, you must not give too much too them then! Nor anyone else for that matter...

Seeing as they don't even have enough cash on hand to buy a decent used car...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00113449

Not to mention the fact (if they are telling the truth)

Individual donors gave 0 large ($200+) contributions to this PAC in 2011-2012.

And to go back a couple of years...

Individual donors gave 0 large ($200+) contributions to this PAC in 2007-2008.

WOW, they are weak...

[gejohnston]

38. less than six hundred bucks for administrative expenses

how do they meet payroll? Everything Joyce gives them is for payroll and rent.

[samsingh]

89. people trying to save lives should not be ridiculed

[shadowrider]

93. Brady doesn't care about saving lives or they'd be on about swimming pools, knives

bats and so on. Brady could care less about lives unless a gun is involved.

[samsingh]

95. Never heard about a swimming pool being used for mass murder

Great sensitivity there

[virginia mountainman]

94. They cause DEATHS..

In their arguments, they don't support people defending themselves with firearms...

They push for legislation that makes it very difficult, or even impossible to have a gun for self defense.

[samsingh]

96. No we don't. We push for common sense. Gun lovers have none

Gun lovers have recklessly supported stupid legislation that has brought us to this point of repeated massacres.

[virginia mountainman]

99. By fighting for GUN BANS, in places like Chicago, DC, and other cities...

YOU, have enabled the armed thugs, to be able to rape, rob, and murder, HONEST LAW ABIDING citizens whom, if they had wanted too, would have been unable to purchase a firearm for self defense..

[samsingh]

100. By giving access to guns you have enabled a lot of crap.

Pretty emotional response there. Aren't you supposed to keep emotion out of the discussion?

[samsingh]

101. Honest citizens don't need a thousand guns

[Clames]

103. Very few could come close to affording that many.

I only have 5 and it's expensive to keep ammo for just those.

[DanTex]

60. This isn't DU, it's the gungeon. Totally different crowd.

The guy you are arguing with has been TSed a few times already, like most of the pro-gunners who post here. You just sort of get used to the fact that the people here are generally right-wing trolls with a few "centrist" Democrats tossed in the mix.

[permatex]

62. RW trolls?

We're RW trolls because we are pro 2A? Prove it.
I am pro gay rights, pro gay marriage, pro choice, pro single payer, end the wars and use the money for social programs, reduce waste in the military and use the money to rebuild our infrastructure, pro union. And yet, because we are pro 2A, you would label us as RW trolls?
Get a grip man.
BTW, I've never been, what did you call it, TSed from here. If you think so, then alert the admins.

[samsingh]

91. its easy to get a few hundred posts

[permatex]

92. So prove it

or alert the admins, which I'm quite positive you or him already have, guess what? I'm still here.

[samsingh]

97. Actually I haven't alerted anyone

U seem to jump to a lot of conclusions. Don't u accuse everyone else of doing that

[permatex]

98. Just those that make false accusations

or alluding to it.

[Clames]

104. Are you sure?

You don't seem to have a problem with Loudly who has been TS'd before too. I don't wonder why...

[GreenStormCloud]

69. What threat to you did he make? I don't see one. N/T

[permatex]

82. He put me on ignore

I guess I hurt his widdle feelings.

[gejohnston]

84. and no sense of humor

At Sat Jul 21, 2012, 06:45 PM, an alert was sent on the following post:

The Brady Campaign has 28,000 members
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117252903

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Copycat thread.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jul 21, 2012, 06:56 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

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[shadowrider]

85. What the heck was wrong with your comment? Oh, you're pro-gun. That's an immediate

hide.

[ileus]

10. don't you realize guns kill people?

That 4.3 million teabasertoteres are all that stand in our way of a gun free society.

[graham4anything]

5. 69,456,897 people voted for Barack Obama in 2008

(wiki)The popular vote was Obama 69,456,897 to McCain 59,934,814, respectively. Obama received the most votes for a presidential candidate in American history.

People hate SuperPacs, yet for whatever reason, America does not seem to realize the NRA is the #1 most powerful of all Pacs (due to their techniques)

NRA has 4.3 million, yet they spend 100s of millions and it isn't coming from membership fees.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

7. It cannot come from membership dues, it comes from the NRA ILA

Institute for Legislative Action. BTW, where did you get the 100s of millions number? I am curious to see what their outlays are.

The key thing to realize is that the NRA can and does mobilize gun owners very effectively. Its not the membership, its the leverage.

[ileus]

8. America held hostage by 4.3 million...

We can destroy them once and for all. I can feel the winds changing as 395 million of us our revenge on the 2A.

[katanalori]

17. My spouse is a registered Republican.......

A couple of years ago, he got a letter from the NRA "welcoming" him to his NRA membership.
He NEVER applied, is NOT a gun owner, and has NO desire to be a member.
My point is this: If the NRA automatically enrolls people without their consent/desire, it is no wonder their membership numbers are so high.
BTW - spouse is DISGUSTED with his party and is a supporter of President Obama. He remains a registered Republican because he finds it more effective when having "discussions" with his Republican friends.

[permatex]

18. they don't enroll until dues are paid

They use mailing lists, thats why he probably got it, I still get mail from them asking me to rejoin and donate, those go into the shredder.

[orpupilofnature57]

29. K&R !!!

[4th law of robotics]

27. I get those same ads for credit cards

congratulating me on being pre-approved.

I throw them away and that's the end of it.

As I suspect happened with your NRA ad.

[4th law of robotics]

25. The ACLU has an eighth of that

Bullying fringe group of radicals?

[orpupilofnature57]

28. I've heard that ,no answer to the question

What do they do for victims of gun related tragedies ,as opposed to offering aid and assistance to perpetrators ?

[gejohnston]

31. what does Brady do?

nothing.
What does Brady do for victims of knife, tire chain, bomb, or any non gun tragedies? Less than nothing. They don't count.

[DainBramaged]

45. Whatever

you can mock us as much as you like, in the end, we won't lose.


Have a nice life.

[permatex]

46. But you have been losing since the 90's

and there is no change in the near future. More and more states are trusting the citizens in regards to firearms, gun laws are being liberalized all across the US.
Gun sales have increased but violent crime is at it's lowest levels since the 60's, not saying more guns=less crime, the reasons for the falling crime rates are many and complex, but it can be said the more guns does not=more crime.
49 of 50 states now have some form of concealed carry laws on the books and soon the last holdout, IL, will also.
If this is your idea of not losing, keep up the good work.

[Jenoch]

47. Do you know what

would happen if all the Democratic candidates for federal office ran on a platform that included stricter gun laws and/or the repeal of the 2nd Amendment? If that happened republicans would control both houses of congress for at least a generation, and likely the White House too.

[DainBramaged]

48. Oh goody, you can count too.

[permatex]

49. C'mon

you can do better than that, try being civil to people you disagree with.
H/She is correct, the repubes would own both the House and Senate, remember what happened in 94 after the passage of the AWB?
Do you really want a repeat of that?

[GreenStormCloud]

71. ou're doing a GREAT job of losing now.

So far this year 31 NRA supported bills have been enacted into law in various states, including anti-gun Hawaii.

Not a single anti-gun law has been passed so far this year.

[DainBramaged]

75. Lose this

[gejohnston]

76. you reminded me of a study I once found

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235209000932

Many scholars have suggested that Americans' positions on gun control are the product of culture conflicts. This assertion has been largely based on associations of gun control opinion with membership in social groups believed to be hostile, or favorable, towards gun ownership, rather than with direct measures of the cultural traits thought to mediate the effects of group membership on gun control opinion. Data from a 2005 national telephone survey were analyzed to test competing theories of why people support handgun bans. Instrumental explanations, which stress belief in a policy's likely effectiveness, accounted for less than 25 percent of the variation in support. The results supported the culture conflict perspective. Those who endorsed negative stereotypes about gun owners, and who did not believe in the need to defend their own homes against crime (versus relying on the police) were more likely to support handgun bans.

[permatex]

83. That was just such a ........................................brillilant reply

[shadowrider]

86. brillilant? Dude, how many times have I told you to stay off the sauce? n/t

[permatex]

90. I know, I know

but after he hurt my feelings last night with his ever so smart pm, I had to have a drink this AM.

[NewMoonTherian]

55. What kind of aid and assistance to perpetrators? n/t

[orpupilofnature57]

56. They've been supportive in every major event , here

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brady-campaign-president-nra-put-gun-george-zimmerman-s-hands

[Kaleva]

66. There's some misinformation in that article

From the article:

"“So in other words, if your state has sensible gun laws that might prevent someone like George Zimmerman – a man with an arrest record and a history of violence from carrying a loaded hidden gun on your streets – tough luck! A George Zimmerman in your state can apply for a permit online from Florida and carry a gun on your streets, and there’s nothing you or your local law enforcement can do about it,” he added."

What I have emboldened is false. One can download an application but you have to have the finger print card mailed to you.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/FORMS/FormsRequest790.html

Here are the requirements to get a permit in Florida:

"1. You must be 21 to get a conceled carry permit.
2. Have a passport-style, color photograph made.
3. Get verification of training that satisfies the training requirement. NRA, DD-14, state training course, etc. . Persons serving in the United States Armed Forces may submit a copy of their Military ID Card to satisfy the training requirement.
4. Get certified copies of court documents relating to any criminal charges against you.
5. Take the fingerprint card to a local law enforcement agency and ask to be fingerprinted. In addition to providing fingerprinting services for the traditional “hard-card” format, electronic fingerprint devices are available at almost all 67 county sheriff’s offices in the state. Visit the Electronic Fingerprints Information page to learn how Live Scan fingerprinting saves processing time.* http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/CWCS/elecfingerprintinfo.html
6. Complete the application. Either print clearly with ink or type the information.
7. In the presence of a notary, sign application.**
8. Submit a check or money order for the license fee of $117"

http://www.usacarry.com/florida_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

Another bit of misinformation in the article is that 32 states already honor Florida non-resident concealed weapons permits.

My home state of Michigan does not honor Florida permits issued to non-residents of that state but even if it did, in looking over the requirements to get a permit in either state, it'd be less of a hassle for me to get a Michigan permit then a Florida one.

[orpupilofnature57]

78. Thank You , very informative.

[gejohnston]

72. CNS?

Christian News Network? IIRC, owned by Pat Roberson?
I'll bookmark this for the next person who bitches about "pros" using Washington Times.

[NewMoonTherian]

73. Okay, so, the pretend kind.

They support the individual right to carry weapons for self-defense, and that right carries an inherent risk of abuse and misuse. They aren't providing him with legal representation or letting him hole up in the NRA moon fortress. Have they even expressed an official opinion on the case?

[orpupilofnature57]

77. No comment speaks volumes .

Sorry I'm not objective about the NRA , and will never see the need to ,they don't provide a service and they promote death be it recreational or philosophically and more important socially.

[NewMoonTherian]

79. You don't have to be objective about the NRA.

I would never ask you to be. It would be boring if you were. They haven't aided or assisted perpetrators. The service they provide is aid and assistance for legal gun owners.

[orpupilofnature57]

80. I apologize ,I was wrong when I said they did

My blind spot.

[NewMoonTherian]

81. Well we've all been guilty of that.

It's easy to get frustrated when so much emotion is attached to an issue. I apologize for my "pretend kind" remark also.

[shadowrider]

88. Group hug

[GarroHorus]

43. I've got no respect whatsoever for the NRA

I also have no respect for anti-gun extremists.

[aikoaiko]

74. I don't think anyone fears the NRA except maybe you based on your post.

Don't live in fear, dude.

[Arctic Dave]

102. A moron and their money are soon parted.

Wayne and his tailor thanks you.

[DainBramaged]

105. Kiss my ass

[Tejas]

106. LOL!