Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumMaryland gets Shall-Issue concealed carry.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-gun-carry-permits-20120724,0,3373461.storyIt will become a lot easier to obtain permits to conceal and carry guns in Maryland as of Aug. 7 under a court order filed Tuesday by a federal district judge.
The order signed Monday by Judge Benson E. Legg gives state officials two weeks to implement his March ruling striking down a requirement that concealed carry applicants show a "good and substantial reason" to transport a firearm...
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TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Now everyone can sleep well tonight.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)attacking other people, I will.
invader zim
(50 posts)I say about goddamn time !!!! Whoo..
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Because Maryland unConstitutionally and capriciously doles out Civil Rights through a filter of bigotry? Then yes, ugh, indeed.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)
Callisto32
(2,997 posts)At least it's honest...
ileus
(15,396 posts)Remember a right unused is a right lost.
Fredjust
(52 posts)
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)
ileus
(15,396 posts)
So do cars, kitchen knives, and perscription drugs. Makes about as much since as my 9 yr old stating that it's his pencil that misspells words....
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Welcome to DU. 
Missycim
(950 posts)when the Governor ignores the will of the people the court has to step in. Now Please DO THAT IN NJ.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)"Overwhelmingly, the violence in Baltimore is associated with ... guns sold illegally on the streets" as part of the drug trade, said Police Department spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. "Our focus has been on illegal guns, people who don't have gun permits. ... That's what our war has been against."
That's impressive clear logic for a big east coast city department.
Clames
(2,038 posts)
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)the "good and substantial" clause was really a rich/famous/well connected clause and a hassle to have to jump through every three years.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Fredjust
(52 posts)More gang violence, mass shootings, suicides, and dead children 
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)CCWs don't join gangs. Gangs are armed by the drug culture's money.
How many CCW holders carried out mass shootings? How would the lack of prevent it?
You need a CCW to commit suicide? That makes no sense.
Dead children? Once again, the gangs fueled by prohibition and armed with the drug culture's money.
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 1, 2012, 04:07 PM - Edit history (1)
Gangs are waiting, with bated breath, so that they can legally buy guns. Right now they're using slingshots.
And I know that if I had a gun but not a concealed carry permit, I wouldn't dare take that gun out in public to shoot lots of people.
Yes, technically, shooting lots of people--and almost certainly killing at least some-- is a crime. But the real hard time is reserved for people who do it without a concealed carry permit.
Your wise insight will help save the lives of innocent children, who are in no danger now from street gangs, but will be endangered when accountants, mechanics, barbers, lawyers, secretaries, schoolteachers and the like are legally armed.
Yes, that sounds right.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)It's a childish fear born out of ignorance. I don't say that to belittle it, we all fear what we don't understand. All I ask is that when the blood doesn't run through the street and the stories come out about citizens being able to defend themselves you reevaluate your opinion.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Or something.
Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)Clames
(2,038 posts)While Defendants have cited post-Heller decisions in which courts have upheld similar (though not identical) permitting regulations, they cite none from the Fourth Circuit. By contrast, as Woollard points out, subsequent to this Court‟s award of summary judgment another district court in the Fourth Circuit has also held, as this Court did, that “although considerable uncertainty exists regarding the scope of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, it undoubtedly is not limited to the confines of the home.” Bateman v. Perdue, No. 5:10-CV-265-H, 2012 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 47336, at *10–*11 (E.D.N.C. Mar. 29, 2012).
Emphasis mine.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)"You can have your religion, as long as you do it in private.."
"You can be secure in your person at home, but we can search you any time on the street." (I'm looking at you, NYPD 'stop and frisk'.)
Clames
(2,038 posts)...as soon as you fill out these forms, pay these fees, and the city council finds you have good and just reason to protest. Oh, and there is a mandatory 30 day waiting period."
TPaine7
(4,286 posts)gregoire
(192 posts)they must now award them with the ability to have guns anywhere and at anytime? This is horrible. It doesn't allow the police to do their job, and it puts more guns in the hands of mentally unstable people. No wonder the NRA loves it. It will cause more mass shootings which will sell more guns.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts).. solely because of a person's skin color, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, or because said person didn't contribute to the sheriff's re-election campaign, among other reasons.
A cop shouldn't be able to deny a right for whatever reason they feel like. Articulable, verifiable, repeatable criteria- none of this vague shit about 'need' that varies from one department to the next, one applicant to the next, and may include some of the criteria mentioned above.
Things like:
-conviction of a felony
-conviction of a domestic violence charge
-indictment on a felony
-being adjudicated not mentally incompetent
-being involuntarily committed to a mental care facility
-having been convicted of DUI
(These are examples, I don't know the MD statutes off the top of my head.)
gregoire
(192 posts)I don't understand why you're stretching the point so thing to try to turn it into a race issue. People don't need to have a gun much less carry one so defaulting to not allowing these nuts to endanger the public is the correct decision.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:08 PM - Edit history (2)
Virtually every law ever passed by the Maryland state legislature (from 1634 to 2012) regarding the possession and ownership of firearms has been written to prevent blacks from being armed as well as whites. Attorney-General Doug Gansler has stated officially that guns are particularly dangerous in majority-black parts of the state (urban PG and Baltimore), without mentioning other urban centers like Frederick, Cumberland, Ocean City, Rockville, Glen Burnie, etc. It's time to put racist gun control to bed.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)May your chains set lightly upon you.
Me? I prefer to choose for myself.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I guess the local sheriff turned down Dr. M.L. King's request for a concealed carry permit because he considered him a mental health risk?
I'm sure it had nothing to do with his skin color or his activism.
But it's informative to know you would have turned him down too.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)with (cough cough cough) that skin tone (cough cough) they still have to grant you the right to do so unmolested.
What a terrible country the ACLU has forced on us. How can the police do their jobs if they have to grant everyone rights, even people they have a bad feeling about?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Hooray for second amendment rights!
rDigital
(2,239 posts)... You can even apply as a non-resident!
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts). . .predictions that don't come true and are conveniently ignored a year from now when the latest crime stats come out.
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)They expedited the case, but it still means no permit parties next week.
*walks home with his head hung, kicking rocks*
