Normal capacity magazines

[Kaleva]

If there is such a thing as normal capacity magazines, then there has to be abnormal capacity magazines. What would then be an example of an abnormal capacity magazine?

[HALO141]

1. A 13, 17, 20 or 30-round magazine...

altered to accept only 10 rounds. That would be abnormal and it often results sub-optimal reliability.

[Kaleva]

8. That's an example I've thought of when I wrote the OP

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

2. You'd have to identify the armament for relevant answer. n/t

[Clames]

3. Example:

Say a pistol shipped with 15 round magazines from the factory. A 10rd magazine would then be abnormal. So would a 30 rd magazine. Abnormal magazines do not make a weapon any more our less lethal.

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4. One that would void the manufacturers warranty.

[MicaelS]

5. In a semi-automatic pistol..

One that extends below the butt of the pistol. Like this:

[slackmaster]

6. An irrational number such as pi or the square root of two, or an imaginary number...

...e.g. square root of negative 17.

[MrValentine]

7. I apologize for being off-topic, but please do me a big favor

I would like it if everyone registered at Ar15.com and posted their opinions about Mitt Romney to the area of the forum called "General Discussion." I joined the site without knowing much about it and thought of it as a political discussion forum used by people from the center and center-right. However, when I said that I was to the left of Mitt Romney on many issues and criticized his stance on gun control, I was banned from the site ... even though I did not violate their code of conduct. I had enjoyed debating people respectfully and commenting on popular topics, but I was targeted by the idiotic administrators of the site. I would greatly appreciate if all of you made at least one account with that far-right website and then made your voices known on their forum. The moderators on the site harass people into leaving the site if they have even the slightest disagreement with them.

[slackmaster]

9. You must have posted something bad about penguins

[ileus]

10. AR-15.com is a great resource for learning about AR's

but they're not very friendly to anyone unless you buy a LMT, Colt, or DD AR.

If you're going to post there put something in your sig line about owning a Colt.

[rl6214]

16. I used them as a resource when I started building AR15s

not so much since.

[Hoyt]

11. Why would one hang out on right wing site like that?

[GreenStormCloud]

13. Don't start board wars. N/T

[ileus]

18. 20,000 against 3 or 4 wouldn't be much of a war.

LOL....I could just see out antis trying to make a lameassed point everyone there has slappedndown 100's of times. They'd just ban the trolls and ignore the rest.

[modem77]

28. AR15s should be banned from civilian use.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

29. What about the AR-1, AR-5, AR-7, AR-10, AR-16, AR-24, AR-30, AR-50, and AR-180 ??

[PavePusher]

46. Why? Please list some specific reasons....

ones that apply to no other firearm.

Then explain your plan to collect the ones already in civilian ownership in such a way as to avoid starting the ACW II.

I predict crickets...

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. One that holds more rounds than it was designed to? n/t

[Marinedem]

14. LOL.

Yeah, I've had one that did that.

I also have a few AK-74 mags that insist they only hold 13 or so rounds.

[Glassunion]

15. Any magazine that can only hold a prime number

of rounds.

2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, 109, etc...

I fucking hate prime numbers.

[NewMoonTherian]

17. So, wait...

As in its maximum capacity is a prime number, or as in it physically will not allow a non-prime number of rounds to exist inside it? That would be a VERY abnormal magazine! Not to mention difficult to use.

[Glassunion]

19. Yes

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

20. What do u

guys think of this? There are some new devices on the market that allow civilian AKs and ARs to fire as fast as fully automatic machineguns? They are selling very briskly and they are 100% legal. I'm surprised the killer in Colorado didn't use one.

http://www.slidefire.com/
http://fostechoutdoors.com/index.php

[Clames]

21. Something that stupid people buy.

If they knew how much damage they were doing to their rifles they probably wouldn't buy them. This gets into why it is so idiotic to say how easy it is to convert these weapons to function like their select-fire counterparts. It's not just trigger assemblies but even details like the amount of mass in the bolt carrier has to be considered unless you like damaging internal parts or having a runaway gun.

[jeepnstein]

22. Your average active shooter...

isn't exactly worried about the longevity of their weapon. Bump firing is relatively difficult to do and really doesn't do anything other than burn ammo. Mix bump firing with a Beta mag and it's a recipe for failure. But I think it's safe to say that most active shooters aren't exactly thinking things through clearly or they wouldn't be doing it anyway.

ATFE can and probably will declare that bump firing stock a machine gun part and then it'll be subject to NFA regulation. If they can do it that with a shoe string then this one is a no-brainer.

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

34. In order for

the ATF to ban them the actual statute for what defines a machinegun would have to be revised by Congress. As I understand it springs, sears and other such modifications to the internal firing mechanism is what has made previous devices illegal. These devices use the recoil from each fired shot to individually pulled the trigger, so the letter of the law is being followed.

Also I doubt that people who buy them are concerned with damaging their rifles. A young friend of mine told me the other day that a buddy of his wanted to sell his AK equipped with one for $400 dollars. That's a good deal and I would pay nothing for the device, per se.

[jeepnstein]

35. Shoestring letter attached.

The shoestring was just used to facilitate bump firing. The also declared a certain type of threaded barrel adapter to be a silencer. The letter of the law isn't enough for ATFE.

[Remmah2]

24. Wasteful.

Even the military has gotten away from the "full auto" mentality since it does nothing but waste ammo.

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

30. Full auto

is always needed to initiate, maintain and conclude an ambush.

[Remmah2]

32. By whom?

nt

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

39. I served with

the 1/75th Ranger Battalion at Hunter Army Airfield in Savannah. We always used M-60s, Claymore mines, 90mm Recoilless rifles loaded with flechettes and full auto M16 fire to initiate our anti personnel ambushes on our lines; there's no other substitute.

Some of us even slept on the lines if it was at night but 3-4 Claymores strung together going off at once is one hell of an alarm clock wakeup to start the ambush.

[Remmah2]

42. My little sis was USAF

She was flightline medical but cross trained as flightline security. She qualified on the M240 and M16 before her husband (also USAF). She said it was cool. He became her ex and he messed with her once. She said she does not need a restraining order. He stays away.

[Callisto32]

38. Bullshit.

A single round from a marksman you didn't know was there is an "ambush."

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

40. No

that's sniping and is entirely a different concept. After a sniper shoots he has to change his position and will not survive for long if he doesn't.

[Callisto32]

41. So, "we got ambushed by a damn sniper" is an extra-grammatical use of "ambush" to you?

You simply do not need automatic fire to ambush someone, or no attack prior to the invention of full autos would count as an ambush.

This is silly.

[Shilka-Gunluvr]

43. No

It's been my observation that a sniper can only engage one target at a time and the term ambush would be applicable to his target but the term has a different meaning as it is taught and practiced in infantry units and in basic training at Ft. Benning.

And you might be right that it's not needed but that is how it's done.

[ileus]

27. mall ninja stuff

[PoliticAverse]

31. Did you see the video of a guy doing something similar using only a rubberband ? n/t

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

23. It would be abnormal if a magazine could only hold non-integer amonts of ammunition.

[Remmah2]

25. Any magazine other than what the firearm was designed to use.

I've used sub-standard magazines, they get stuck in the mag well.

[jody]

26. An abnormal magazine today would be one printed hard copy. nt

[Remmah2]

33. Hard copy?

Inclusive of porn mags?

[jody]

47. I yield while ROFL ! nt

[AtheistCrusader]

36. For .223, the standard appears to be 30. For .308, the standard appears to be 20.

Based on mags that come from most manufacturers.

[Callisto32]

37. A poor choice of word, I think.

I would call them "standard capacity" and it would refer to the magazine size intended by the designer(s) of the weapon. 20 for an AR, 13 for a Hi-Power, 7 for a 1911, et cetera.

[Kaleva]

44. It's a way to try to control the debate.

People can get excited about talking about restricting high capacity magazines so in order to diffuse that, some try calling such "normal" capacity magazines.

It's a game.

[krispos42]

45. A magazine that takes negative amounts of ammunition.

I think they use them in movies... each time you shoot, it gains a round.