Gun nut with concealed weapons permit kills unarmed door-to-door salesman in Florida

[Cali_Democrat]

Roop had 14 firearms and a concealed weapons permit. Was he a gun nut? You bet.

What is it with these gun nuts and their penchant for human hunting and subsequently hiding behind cowardly NRA-backed laws? Zimmerman and now this twit:

Florida man kills door-to-door salesman: I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property
By Eric W. Dolan
Thursday, July 26, 2012 20:31 EDT

A man in Cape Coral, Florida on Wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.

Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/florida-man-kills-door-to-door-salesman-i%E2%80%99ll-kill-anybody-that-steps-on-my-property/

Kenneth Roop is simply another gift to the American people courtesy of the NRA.

[Reasonable_Argument]

1. He'll be found guilty and punished

Trying to pin this on the NRA is childish at best. Do you enjoy it when the right pins every miscarriage of justice on the ACLU? Hypocrisy shouldn't be a virtue.

[Hoyt]

38. The NRA is such a nurturing organisation. Why allow them off?

[Starboard Tack]

44. Hypocrisy? Like presenting the NRA as a civil rights organization?

[gejohnston]

45. it is certainly a civil liberties organization

which concentrates on one specific liberty or right.

[Starboard Tack]

48. Are you being serious?

I honestly hope not.

[4th law of robotics]

49. This man shouldn't even be allowed legal council

the fact that he is puts the entire blame for this on the ACLU and other such civil rights groups.

An impartial trial isn't for murderers and the ACLU just enables this sort of thing by protecting the so-called rights of these monsters.

/am I doing it right?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. I could be wrong but, Kenneth Roop is a paranoid chickenshit ratbastard.

[Enrique]

3. wow, execution style

selling steak and seafood door to door is odd, but it doesn't deserve getting snuffed out.

[SlimJimmy]

4. I have a much better method for dealing with door to door salesman.

I tell them no, then ask them to leave. It's *very* effective.

[LAGC]

9. Or just put up a "No Soliciting" sign on your door.

I haven't had an unexpected knock on my door in quite some time...

Except for a Jehovah's Witness or two.

[braddy]

30. To an experienced salesman "No Soliciting" means, make sure you hit this house.

It can mean exactly what it says of course, but it often means, I am weak and was hoping the sign would protect me from the tough guys of the sales world.

[Confusious]

5. Must have sucked to be Roop

Imagine living your life in fear like that. I've been shot and don't have that much fear.

Couldn't even take on a door-to-door salesman without a gun.

What a sad, sad man.

[Peepsite]

6. Wierd..

Has no ever knocked on this guy's door before? Surely there's more to this, unless the guy just went insane or something.

[Arctic Dave]

7. This guy is the posterboy for "gun nut".

Holy crap!

No tresspassing signs does not give you the legal authority to murder someone.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Indeed

[indepat]

33. But the "stand your ground" laws are taken as a license to kill for those of a certain

mindset.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

34. good for you. You managed to insult the mentally ill and legitimate gun owners everywhere.

a twofer

[Arctic Dave]

42. I didn't realize you were an advocate for the mental health

services. I am so proud of you.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

47. oh please. either you are not paying attention in here or else you dont care what I say - which

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is fine but, there is no need to follow up your slurs to the mentally ill by being Snarky with me.

try to have a little class about yourself.

[sarisataka]

8. Murder, open and shut

Could even be considered 1st degree if he previously stated he would kill anyone who steps on his property...

he shot Rainey in the head “for effect”

Would not even be legal if it was an armed felon that had been attacking him. Self-defense becomes murder at that point.

[petronius]

10. Certainly sounds like murder, and more clear-cut than the man who was just

convicted in Texas.

I think that off-duty deputy deserves credit for a job well done...

[struggle4progress]

12. Cape Coral shooting suspect, Kenneth Roop, once pulled gun on meter reader, former prosecutor says

... Seven years ago, Roop pulled a weapon and threatened a power company meter reader who had walked onto his property in Wildwood, south of Ocala, according to former prosecutor Ray Sotomayor.

Sotomayor led the state's case against Roop in 2005, when he was charged with improper exhibition of a weapon.

Sotomayor said the uniformed meter reader approached his home to perform her job when she was confronted by Roop, who was aiming his gun directly at her ...

"I knew this guy was a time bomb, I really did," Sotomayor said. "It's unfortunate we didn't get him convicted" ...

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/265739/250/Man-who-killed-door-to-door-salesman-described-as-time-bomb

[Kaleva]

15. A jury apparently found him not guilty.

Had the jury found him guilty, he certainly would have lost his CCW and possibly the right to own guns.

[Hoyt]

39. Not necessarily. Doesn't always get reported.

[Kaleva]

41. No it doesn't always get reported but in this case it was.

It was reported, he was charged, brought to trial and the jury found him not guilty.

[struggle4progress]

13. Cape murder suspect tells police 'I was in fear'

CAPE CORAL, Fla.- ... When Cape police asked why Roop did not warn Rainey, the suspect said, "I'm not going to give him the chance to do something to me; I was in fear" ...

http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2012-07-26/Cape-murder-suspect-tells-police-I-was-in-fear

[struggle4progress]

14. Stand Your Ground defense may arise in killing of salesman in Cape Coral

Shooting suspect could present a Stand Your Ground argument.
11:13 PM, Jul. 27, 2012

... “More and more people are alleging Stand Your Ground,” Fort Myers prosecutor John Mills said Friday. “Lawyers apply it to the way facts are given, but many times different witnesses have different interpretations of the facts.” ...

“The jury is still out on it for me,” Fort Myers defense attorney David Brener said. “There are going to be cases where people are going to be less hesitant to use deadly force because of the law and that’s not a good thing for society. But on the other hand, oftentimes your average person is unaware of the potential for violence in certain segments of society. Things can quickly escalate from mere words and glances to someone trying to kill you.” ...

http://www.news-press.com/article/20120728/CRIME/307280017/Stand-Your-Ground-defense-may-arise-killing-salesman-Cape-Coral?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

[Kaleva]

18. The shot to the head, for "effect" will probably make it impossible to claim SYG

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Not a fucking chance he walks this time.

Zero chance. Fucking negative numbers.

[struggle4progress]

16. Kenneth Roop's lawyer says his client is not guilty

By John Rupolo
CREATED Jul. 27, 2012 - UPDATED: Jul. 27, 2012

CAPE CORAL, Fla. - ... "Not guilty plea will be entered right away along with the demand for all evidence," said Attorney John Musca.

According to the Cape Police probable cause affadavit, the shooting happened after Rainey was leaving Roop's home trying to sell him meat products. One witness did not hear yelling or or that there was a problem before Roop first shot Rainey in the shoulder, then in the head while Rainey was on the ground wounded at the end of Roop's driveway. We asked Roop's lawyer if this was accurate ...

"The facts and circumstances which gave rise to the allegation are still being considered, researched, and investigated by this office," said Musca.

But we may get a glimpse of Roop's defense strategy by looking at what he told Police just after the shooting. According to the affadavit he says when he spoke with Rainey the salesman made him feel, "more than a little nervous" and Rainey "had something in his hand." ...

http://www.fox4now.com/news/164071446.html

[Kaleva]

23. Lawyers who tell the media that their client is guilty ought to look for different work.

[Snarkoleptic]

25. According to the affadavit he says when he spoke with Rainey the salesman made him feel,

"more than a little nervous" and Rainey "had something in his hand." ...

If ALEC and the teabaggers achieve their dream of arming every nutjob on the street, this shit will be commonplace.

Ever feel like you're living among a lesser-evolved version of the human race? I do.

[demosincebirth]

29. We are doomed. nt

[Starboard Tack]

46. Welcome to this Brave New World

Nervous people will be shot when found too close to homes and, if they are holding something in their hands, they will be shot again in the head "for effect".

[struggle4progress]

17. Off-duty Collier sheriff sergeant stops gunman after shooting

Sgt. Shiner was off-duty at her Cape Coral home during the shooting
By Julie Salomone
CREATED Jul. 27, 2012

... Collier County Sgt. Kristin Shiner heard those gunshots. She was at her Cape Coral home at the time. She grabbed her gun and badge and ran to Nick's aid. She says he was hardly breathing when she arrived.

"I had not seen anyone in the area so I had assumed the homeowner had gone back into his home and people dialed 911 until I heard a slide," said Sgt. Shiner.

Sgt. Shiner heard the sound of a gun reloading and that's when she noticed Roop in the garage and ordered him to drop his gun ...

http://www.fox4now.com/news/local/164095196.html

[Cali_Democrat]

24. Thank you for your articles

a lot of information .

[DenverDad]

19. So I suppose, according to the NRA

It's the salesman's fault because he wasn't carrying a gun.

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. Why suppose? Find out and let us know- Google or Dogpile are your friends.

I daresay you'll find out there's often quite a difference between "What I believe the NRA says" and "What the NRA says"...

[msongs]

20. posession is intent to use, the bullet to the head was premeditated nt

[Kaleva]

21. Mere possesion doesn't show intent

The below applies only to Michigan. The laws of other states on this matter may be different.

"750.226 Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent.

Sec. 226.

Carrying firearm or dangerous weapon with unlawful intent—Any person who, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, goes armed with a pistol or other firearm or dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years or by a fine of not more than 2,500 dollars."

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28x24aqv55qevctq452o3n2a24%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-226

[rl6214]

22. The gun and the NRA have nothing to do with this guy being a nut job

[Snarkoleptic]

26. No, but they sure facilitate an irrational escalation that most would deem to be totally fucked up!

[Politicalboi]

28. How does your kitty do that?

LOL! That is cute.

[Snarkoleptic]

40. Kitteh is of a higher order.

[lib2DaBone]

31. Welcome to Rick Scott's -TeaBag -Koch Bros Florida.

Hate to see what this guy would do to the mailman. "Hey.. what is that Terrorist material you are putting in my mailbox? Blam..!"

[ileus]

32. you'd think it would be common courtesy not to shoot

[Tuesday Afternoon]

35. common courtesy like its cousin common sense are rarer and rarer to find these days.

[ileus]

36. I'm afraid you are correct....I'm nice even when the JWs show up

The meat guy knows not to stop at my house....we don't eat that much meat.

[xxenderwigginxx]

43. Meanwhile...

The other 260 million legal guns were not used by idiots to kill a salesman.