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Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:48 PM

 

So you want to fight misuse and crime via prohibition of currently-legal items?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/02/17/oxycontin-warning-first-nations.html

Expect OxyContin health crisis, warns First Nations leader
Drug to be pulled off market at the end of February

Exactly six months later:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1243530--oxycontin-replaced-by-explosion-of-small-town-heroin-use

OxyContin replaced by explosion of small-town heroin use
Published on Friday August 17, 2012


Perhaps someone can explain why the same wouldn't happen with guns, were certain persons and groups to get their way...

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Reply So you want to fight misuse and crime via prohibition of currently-legal items? (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 OP
djean111 Aug 2012 #1
rDigital Aug 2012 #2
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #3
djean111 Aug 2012 #4
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #5
gejohnston Aug 2012 #6
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #7
PavePusher Aug 2012 #8
spin Aug 2012 #9

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 05:57 PM

1. Seems like a false equivalence to me.

 

Are you saying that if guns were confiscated, the gun people would just switch to bows and arrows?

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:10 PM

2. I think the

 

false equivalence might be in your answer. I think that he's trying to say that if guns were made illegal, bad people would still have them and use them regardless of what the laws are.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:12 PM

3. I'm saying they will go for the functional equivalent- smuggled guns

 

It's not as if we are lacking for historical examples- just read Daniel Okrent's "Last Call: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition", for one.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:25 PM

4. As a Floridian, I am more and more concerned - no, wait, scared -

 

about the concealed carry, open carry, whatever, that is now evidently okay in bars and restaurants and movies, and just walking down the street.
I don't think that arming everybody is the answer.
It would be awesome if people with guns only shot other people with guns, but that is not how it seems to be working out.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:31 PM

5. Florida has had concealed-carry for years, along with a dropping crime and murder rate.

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:37 PM

6. Interesting

I feel safer in Wyoming than I do in Florida. We even had a rifle club, and put our guns in our lockers on that day.

It would be awesome if people with guns only shot other people with guns, but that is not how it seems to be working out.
The vast majority of people shooting each other are gangsters.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 06:39 PM

7. I was a Floridian for years. Do you think drug dealers wouldn't branch out to guns as well...

 

were a prohibition put into place? Florida has always been rife with smuggling, back to Spanish colonial days.

True story time: As a wiry yoot, I worked in utility construction for a few years. One of the jobs I worked on was to install water lines in Rio and Jensen Beach (northern Martin County).
One of the places we dug up was along Dixie Highway (the old U.S. 1). While putting in a water main, I dug up a well-preserved Gordon's Gin bottle (ca. 1924) from in
front of a building that had been a speakeasy/road house during Prohibition. My parents have that bottle in their curio cabinet to this day.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 08:19 PM

8. If you are in Florida and see open carry....

 

unless it's on private property or a hunting/fishing jaunt, they are "doing it wrong".

Could you cite to some stats that are cause for concern? And also to anyone who has advocated for "arming everybody"?

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Response to djean111 (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 20, 2012, 07:18 AM

9. As a Floridian you have a higher chance of getting struck by lightning ...

then being shot by a person with a concealed weapons permit (unless you are attacking him with the intention of seriously incurring or killing him.)

You state:


It would be awesome if people with guns only shot other people with guns, but that is not how it seems to be working out.


Does that mean that you do not consider a person armed with a knife or club to be dangerous? Do you believe that I should take on a much younger man in good physical condition with only my fists, knowing that he intends to seriously injure me? (I have degenerative disc disease in my back and am a candidate for a hip replacement and am also 66 years old.) Let's suppose that I am far younger and in good physical condition but find myself attacked by several other individuals, should I try to pretend that I am Bruce Lee?



Let's suppose that I am a small female who finds herself attacked by a much stronger and larger male rapist? Should I submit and try to enjoy the attack when I have a legal firearm to defend myself?

Edited to add:

In Florida you can't legally carry a firearm in a bar even if you have a concealed weapons permit.



The 2012 Florida Statutes

Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS


***snip***

12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:

***snip***

12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html








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