It's not the gun, it's the man using it...

[virginia mountainman]

You can get all the "tactical" asseories you want, yea that "stuff" looks cool to some, makes the main stream media show lots of "pout-rage", and most of us think it is pointless.

In truth, if you want to defend yourself adequately, it is not nearly so much as the gun, as it is the person behind it.

Case in point, a practiced feller here with the super common CHEAP (less than $100 can be found for $50)single shot shotgun.... No plastic or protruding pistol grips here to scare gun control advocates....This is the classic, hunting gun.... The one that most gun control advocates don't want to ban (now). This is not even talking about the incredible killing power a shotgun has on people.

If your breaking into his home at night, you have a bad problem....

[holdencaufield]

1. Sometimes ... it's the woman ...

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[Arctic Dave]

2. Probably not the best weapon to go on a mass murdering spree with.

This guy is probably a range rat and still does a little fumbling on the third round.

Also, the pellets from buckshot is a lot less lethal at a distance then a .223 round.

[MercutioATC]

5. Actually, not an ineffective weapon at all.

In a venue such as a movie theater, even at 5 seconds per shot, somebody would probably have a solid 2 minutes of firing time before targets became scarce. Using #1 buck loads (and I have no idea why you're trying to compare the range of a shotgun to a .223) that's 10-12 lethal shots.

The point is that ANY tool, (semiautomatic rifle, revolver, single-shot shotgun, knife, brick) can be used to effectively kill people if that's the goal of the person wielding that tool. Singling out certain firearms because people think they're "scary" is silly.

[Arctic Dave]

11. A .223 has a lot more carrying capacity and a lot further killing range.

Being shot by buckshot at 20yds is not the same a being shot by a .223 round at the same distance.

As for a 2 minute window to kill people, having to reload every single round gives people a lot more time time bring down the shooter or run.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. I'm fine with shotguns kept in the home.

Glocks in bars and cars, not so much. 30 round magazines on semi-automatic rifles carried into theaters for murder and mayhem, funny how that is not swooned over by the gun porn crowd.

[gejohnston]

4. if not Glocks,

what about Colts, Walthers, Rugers, SIGs?

[Warren Stupidity]

7. the actual model is relevant only to gun nuts.

'glock' is just a place holder.

[gejohnston]

14. those are makes, not models

and I just feel like being a smart ass today.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. I really don't give a shit

the obsession with gun trivia is pathetic. As I said, 'glock' was a place holder.

[holdencaufield]

20. Is it trivia ...

... or just actually knowing what you're talking about.

I wouldn't go to someone who didn't know the difference between a cerebrum and a cerebellum for medical advice, would you?

[Marinedem]

25. It helps to know what you are talking about

If you don't even know what you are opposed to and use blanket/incorrect terms, I'm inclined to believe that your message is probably as poorly thought out/invalid as well.

Whenever this is brought up, I'm usually met with "I don't need to know about the icky things, I just know that they're bad and stuff" routine in one form or another.

If you can't properly articulate what your beliefs are, they are probably pretty weak or misguided.

If I started going on about how there are too many kids injecting marijuana and smoking refer cigarettes, how serious would you take me?

[MercutioATC]

6. "30 round magazines on semi-automatic rifles carried into theaters"

You do realize that there are already laws making this illegal, yes? NONE of us are O.K. with that.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. Apparently the laws are ineffective.

So, you all being ever so reasonable, beefing up the laws to prevent another such episode would be something you all would support.

[MercutioATC]

10. What law would you write to prevent events like this?

Forget about 2A rights for the moment. What law would you write that would prevent a crazy person from obtaining one of the 210 million guns in this country and killing people in a theater?

[Warren Stupidity]

16. Did I bring up the legality?

I merely wondered why you all don't swoon over the shooting prowess of mass murderers.

here's another amazingly prolific shooter:

[MercutioATC]

18. Actually, yes, you did bring up the legailty.

"So, you all being ever so reasonable, beefing up the laws to prevent another such episode would be something you all would support."

That's the post that YOU posted and I responded to.


To now pretend that you think that some of us would "swoon" over a mass murder because you can't answer the logical question that your post raises is simply disgusting.

[rDigital]

19. Remember, it supports complete civilian disarmament. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

28. it does?

please provide a link to anyplace where it said it supported "complete civilian disarmament".

it will wait.

[rDigital]

33. What gun rights does "it" champion? Don't worry, I'll wait. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

35. You made an assertion that it supports

complete civilian disarmament. Back that up. Oh wait you can't. Carry on with the rw NRA coordinated talking points.

[holdencaufield]

12. So ....

... just to be clear ....

A psychopath determined to murder people in a public venue would be stopped by a magazine capacity restriction?

It's so simple! Why did no one think of this before?!

[4th law of robotics]

31. What kind of madman would risk a hefty fine for breaking such a law?

Why you'd have to be crazy to risk such a penalty.

So clearly heavy fines would deter all sensible mass murderers who are thinking about the long term financial consequences of their actions.

[gejohnston]

13. effective 99.99999999 percent of the time

more so than the laws against armed robbery, so I would not call that ineffective.

[4th law of robotics]

30. I think we should double those laws!

Make it twice as illegal to break them while committing mass murder.

Who would dare risk twice the fine in the process of putting themselves on death row?

[Clames]

36. Go for broke. THREE times as illegal.

Those criminals will be triple-dog-dared then.

[Trunk Monkey]

21. In the interest of full disclosure

Carrying a rifle with a 30 round magazine actually would be legal anywhere in Colorado except Denver.

I'm sure the theater would exercise their rights as property owners to deny entrance but it would not be a vilotaion of Colorado law

[Eleanors38]

9. "gun porn crowd?" Unfamiliar with. You into it?nt

[Warren Stupidity]

17. stick around the gungeon and you will see plenty of it.

[PavePusher]

23. Cites, please? n/t

[Eleanors38]

38. Been here for years. All I've heard of is the Uvalde, TX "LIQUOR GUNS" sign.

This what you mean?

[petronius]

34. As far as I can tell, "gun porn" is anything (usu. video or images) that might portray firearms in

a positive light, or might suggest an appreciation for firearms, or might encourage a knowledge and understanding of firearm types and function. Just right here in this thread, as a matter of fact:

the safe and skilled fellow in the OP? Gun porn!
the women on the horses? Gun porn!
every DUer who seems to like these things? Gun porn crowd!

[PavePusher]

22. If you've ever carried a rifle for more than 30 minutes....

you'd know it's a severe pain in the ass.

That's why very few people do it as a matter of normal daily routine.

Plus, for the average Citizen self-defense event, a rifle would be much slower to bring into action and rather over-powered.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. "That's why very few people do it as a matter of normal daily routine. "

Very few people need to carry a weapon as a matter of normal daily routine. Those who have an actual need to do so, for example people transporting money, law enforcement officers, or anyone else with a valid reason to carry a pistol, should be allowed to do so by applying for a permit.

I just went to the dump UNARMED. It was very scary. I'm still shaking, plus I had to change my shorts.

[PavePusher]

26. Blah, blah, blah... whutevah.

for example people transporting money

Endorsing the 1%? Seriously?

or anyone else with a valid reason to carry a pistol, should be allowed to do so

My personal self-defense is a valid reason. Unless you volunteer to provide security for me...? I won't hold my breath.

by applying for a permit

May I see your First, Fourth, Thirteenth and Twenty-Fourth Amendment Permits, please?

[Clames]

37. And every single incident where a CCW carrier uses his weapon in lawful self-defense proves...

...you wrong.

[4th law of robotics]

29. Bars and cars being regular targets for mass shooters

(except in reality).

[JoeyT]

27. A much better and safer home defense weapon

than any kind of rifle. Few things are as irritating as having an argument with a dumbass that bought a rifle to defend his home that has paper thin walls and children somewhere in it.

That buckshot is a lot less likely to overpenetrate and kill a random person that happens to be in the wrong room when you go to shooting.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. Household ranges, buck shot is also a bit much

#4 (not #4 Buck) are arguably a better choice. Birdshot is also a viable choice