Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumDo we have a gun crisis?
Gun related murders are down, but gun shooting sprees are up. Normally, you would think there would be a correlative decrease, but this very unusual.
While politicians argue over the manufactured Fiscal cliff crisis (notice that no one is talking about this anymore) we have a real gun crisis in the United States. If estimates are correct that there are 300+ million guns floating around what are the practical solutions to enforcing current regulations on the books or do we need more? Do we need to educate the populace more before they are allowed to own a weapon?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)China is experiencing the same thing with people with knives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29
Some of it is the infotainment industry
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After a mass shooting in The Netherlands, a leading German sociologist (the name escapes me at the moment) basically said stricter gun laws don't help because it distracts from the real issues, like access to mental health, the stigma of seeking help, social isolation etc. That isn't to say our gun laws are ideal, but I'm kind of reminded of the knee jerk reaction to Toronto's July shoot out at a basketball game between a couple of gangsters that killed a couple of bystanders. Although the guns were not legally owned, registered, and had illegal magazines, the Toronto mayor's solution was to confiscate registered handguns from licensed owners. That maybe understandable or opportunistic, but it would be like putting a leg cast on someone with a sucking chest wound.
spin
(17,493 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)The fact that gun related murders are down doesn't mean that they are low. They are still much higher than any other first world country.
Also, even though gun murders are down, gun assaults are up. Part of this discrepancy is due to improvements in emergency medicine -- you are more likely to survive a gunshot wound than a decade ago.
Finally, the gun crisis is not an overall violent crime crisis. Rates of violent crime have been dropping, and are not higher than the rest of the world. The problem is, there are a lot more guns and gun crimes in the US, and gun crimes are much more deadly than non-gun crimes.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)If there are more gun assaults with the victims surviving, wouldn't there then be an increase in
aggravated assaults (which is what feloniously but non-fatally shooting someone would be)?
Yes, there are a lot of guns and gun crime in the US-but that's because there are 300+ million people
here, third largest population on the planet. The rate of gun crime is also decreasing-
see link above.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Sometimes I forget just how dumb gun nuts can be. It's really staggering. Try checking gun assaults, not aggravated assaults, and get back to me.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Doesn't look like a DoJ graph.
Clames
(2,038 posts)In fact that type of graph doesn't show up anywhere in WISQARS and nothing turns up querying the title of that graph on the CDC's website.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Graph from here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117290821#post22
krispos42
(49,445 posts)agree!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Gives a crude legitimacy to mass murder. These punks couldn't pull off flash fame on American Idol, on the athletic Field, in the corner bar, or with some hot chick; and they are desperate for ANY noteriety, even if it is from the grave. And the full-time infomercial surrounding us will give obligingly give it out.
This Conn. murderer went after small kids, probably because their optimism, innocence and general happiness was (in his eyes) a commentary on his failings, and hence threat. Perhaps motivated less by celebrity and more by revenge.
This kind of stuff will happen again, and no amount of prohibitionism will thwart it.