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Yallow

(1,926 posts)
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:49 AM Oct 2015

Bush Let 9-11 Happen By Ignoring All Warnings On Purpose - Agree?

There is no other explanation that makes sense. Bush ignored all those warnings and left our country wide open for attack, knowing how much power he would amass if our homeland was attacked. Just look at how much easier the 9\11 attack made it for him to carry out his PNAC plans.

I am not a conspiracy nut. Every single piece of evidence supports this fact, Bush welcomed and attack.

Bush left us open for attack for a reason.

Anyone with half a brain, and understanding of how the world works would have to agree America was undefended on purpose.

I repeat. Every single piece of evidence supports this FACT.

Jebbie, get lost.

I repeat. Every single piece of evidence supports this FACT.
I repeat. Every single piece of evidence supports this FACT.
I repeat. Every single piece of evidence supports this FACT.

Both Al Gore, and President Clinton are on record claiming the number one thing Bush should be concerned about is an attack by Al-Queda. They admitted this. Bush was too busy drawing up Iraq invasion plans, and probably thought an attack would help with his pre-planned Iraq invasion strategy.

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Bush Let 9-11 Happen By Ignoring All Warnings On Purpose - Agree? (Original Post) Yallow Oct 2015 OP
This sounds a lot like the idea that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor so... TreasonousBastard Oct 2015 #1
Did FDR have multiple specific warnings about Japan attacking Pearl Harbor? Human101948 Oct 2015 #6
The problem with using the "conspiracy theory nut" marym625 Oct 2015 #2
I agree. By ignoring the reports given to his Admin by Clinton's anti-terrorist team BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #3
No, I don't think so. mysuzuki2 Oct 2015 #4
52 Al-Queda Warnings From FAA Alone According to CBS Yallow Oct 2015 #5
Is MIHOP and LIHOP back? Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #7
Sorry, but there is too much evidence that they knew and did nothing. -none Oct 2015 #8
Creative speculation. nt Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #9
Creative Speculation? Yallow Oct 2015 #10
MIHOP/LIHOP belong in Creative Speculation. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #11
I agree he was/is inept marym625 Oct 2015 #12
W was easily manipulated GP6971 Oct 2015 #15
I don't know, obviously, marym625 Oct 2015 #16
I agree GP6971 Oct 2015 #17
true. marym625 Oct 2015 #18
This covers it also. -none Oct 2015 #13
I have always considered LIHOP plausible, but so is plain incompetence. phantom power Oct 2015 #14

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. This sounds a lot like the idea that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor so...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:59 AM
Oct 2015

we would all agree on entering the war.

Impossible to prove or disprove either way.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
6. Did FDR have multiple specific warnings about Japan attacking Pearl Harbor?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:17 AM
Oct 2015

But Mr Shirley said: "Based on all my research, I believe that neither Roosevelt nor anybody in his government, the Navy or the War Department knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour. There was no conspiracy.
"This memo is further evidence that they believed the Japanese were contemplating a military action of some sort, but they were kind of in denial because they didn't think anybody would be as audacious to move an army thousands of miles across the Pacific, stop to refuel, then move on to Hawaii to make a strike like this."
As with the September 11 terrorist attacks in 2001, US leadership was guilty of a "failure of imagination" in its inability to translate warning signs into a specific prediction of the horror that lay ahead, he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8932197/Pearl-Harbour-memo-shows-US-warned-of-Japanese-attack.html

"I don't think that anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile." So said Condoleeza Rice, Bush's National Security Advisor during his first term.

but then was the truth--

Moreover, the Federal Aviation Administration “had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon,” and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2008/12/17/33866/fratto-911/

But the truth is they willfully ignored many specific warnings--

Bush Received More Warnings About 9/11 Than We Realized

We already knew about the presidential brief from Aug. 6, 2001 that was titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The White House has shown that this declassified document was primarily a history of Al Qaeda, not a warning of imminent attack.

But there were other briefings, some seen by Eichenwald, that did warn of an imminent attack.

On May 1 the CIA said that a terrorist group in the U.S. was planning an attack.

On June 22 it warned that this attack was "imminent."

On June 29 the brief warned of near-term attacks with "dramatic consequences" including major casualties.

On July 1, the briefing said that the terrorist attack had been delayed but "will occur soon."

On July 24, the president was told again that the attack had been delayed but would occur within months.

These and other similar warnings were ignored by the White House. The Neocons in charge insisted that the threat was instead a coordinated diversion meant to distract attention from Saddam Hussein, according to Eichenwald. This opinion frustrated the intelligence community, who saw the theory as totally illogical.

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-report-shows-how-many-warnings-about-bin-laden-were-ignored-by-the-bush-white-house-2012-9

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. The problem with using the "conspiracy theory nut"
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015

Is we know that so much of what is now wrong with our country was because of conspiracies. From The End Game Memo to the Republican/John Birch Society/Koch brothers take over of our political system. The New Jim Crow and systematic removal of hundreds of thousands of voters, to the gerrymandering, proves the latter.

While there are many, really crazy conspiracy theories out there, it's time, imho, we start realizing that there was a concerted effort to fuck us. And that took quite a few people and a ton of money to accomplish.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. I agree. By ignoring the reports given to his Admin by Clinton's anti-terrorist team
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:03 AM
Oct 2015

they left the United States open to an attack.

Republicans LOVE to go to war (just as long as none of their precious fruit of their loins have to serve), and this is something we have to remember come 2016.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
4. No, I don't think so.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

One should not claim animosity when simple incompetence explains events. I blame Bush greatly for his response to 9/11. But I really can't believe that even a horrible president like him would allow this to happen if he could stop it.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
7. Is MIHOP and LIHOP back?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:39 AM
Oct 2015

I believe it was complete incompetence that lead to 9/11, not something more sinister. Bush didn't know what the fuck he was doing.

MIHOP & LIHOP belong in Creative Speculation.

-none

(1,884 posts)
8. Sorry, but there is too much evidence that they knew and did nothing.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:55 AM
Oct 2015

They needed this "Pearl Harbor" to get their war on, and they got it.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
10. Creative Speculation?
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

Ignoring hundreds or thousands of warnings is not an accident.

Especially after being warned by Clinton/Gore defending us from Al-Quaeda should
be Bush's #1 priority.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/us/clinton-aides-plan-to-tell-panel-of-warning-bush-team-on-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all

Bush did nothing.

Reality, not speculation.

Count the corpses Dr.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
11. MIHOP/LIHOP belong in Creative Speculation.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:26 AM
Oct 2015

It's a forum, on this board. Bush was inept. Worthless. But I don't believe in any way that he just let it happen (or made it happen). Just as I don't believe FDR knew about Pearl Harbor before it happened.

Creative Speculation is where MIHOP and LIHOP belong.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
12. I agree he was/is inept
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

AI don't believe he had anything to do with the attack. I even believe he didn't have a clue how horrific an attack would be.

But, I do believe he purposely ignored the warnings, repeatedly, from so many sources, because he wanted something to be able to use as an excuse for war. I just think he thought only a couple lives might be lost.

As inept as he was, to believe that ignoring so many warnings, from so sources was not by design is too much, even for dubya.

GP6971

(31,141 posts)
15. W was easily manipulated
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:38 PM
Oct 2015

I'm sure he was told by everyone on his senior staff (Cheney, Rice, Rummy) that "we got it covered, don't. worry." W being lazy, went along with it.

-none

(1,884 posts)
13. This covers it also.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015
‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.
1546 (John Heywood)

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
14. I have always considered LIHOP plausible, but so is plain incompetence.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:32 PM
Oct 2015

We know they had specific warnings, and they blew those warnings off. It doesn't paint a flattering picture, no matter how you slice it.

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