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Thu Jun 24, 2021, 07:21 AM

Vanessa Guillen act hope it passes, example male on male sexual assault that I knew of

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Vanessa Guillen a fine trooper ,was sexually assaulted raped and then murdered. Vanessa reported her rapes yet her chain of command failed her. This act will take any sexual assault and other acts of violence out of the chain of command good ole boy club and hand it off to jag.

Now we have members of congress and our military bitching that by doing it this way will break down unit cohesion I call bullshit on this argument as I can speak from experience. And I will be writing a letter thank goodness for spell and grammar punctuation check on our laptops , a letter to my seditionist congress repig in arguing this response by the way my congress repig is a former soldier.

So late 1985 I catch a PCs to mech leg land west Germany over medical issues broken ankle twice on drops so I PCs from 2/325 pir 82nd yup STDís from the sky the All American. To a mech unit west Germany, one morning weíre getting ready for the day after pt and I notice a young troop in my squad of five we were undermanned, so you remember the yellow pt suits the banana suits, well he has blood on his shorts , me not knowing it was blood at maybe 05:30 standing in our common area in barracks.

I take him aside and ask him whatís up man you sick you crap yourself, Iím thinking troop is sick and he starts with the tears and asked can we talk someplace in private, let me explain I was a corporal acting as squad leader because we were so under strength. So were talking it took awhile in my room. Here this troop was bleeding from his rectum he told me straight out his words crying were corporal they fucked me , Iím not tracking him at moment what he is telling me sobbing, and he tells me he was drinking with two dudes from 2nd platoon in their room it was a Sunday and they raped him were now Monday morning duty.

Please donít say anything corporal as he was sobbing Iím hugging my man trying to comfort him. Yet problem is heís bleeding heavy and I said we gotta go tmc troop medical clinic, and we were fortunate in my 3rd platoon as we had fine NCOís that cared for us. In telling a 3rd platoon staff sgt and platoon sgt , I need your car keys I filled them in took young troop to clinic where he needed to be stitched up. And spent maybe two days in hospital, now unfortunately word travels fast in rifle company.

I knew immediately word was out as I got back to barracks and Iím asked by dudes in my platoon is it true he was fucked asking me out of concern. And dealing with our lieutenant and xo and company commander. Yet among the enlisted ranks people wanted blood from the two rapist for what they done to 18 year old trooper. Now the pig rapist weíre immediately removed from company no clue where they were transferred and one of pig rapist was E 5.

Yet no ucmj was ever taken against them and the young soldier after discharge was transferred to administration clerk position down at division HQ, it was for the best as even though we felt empathy some of us yes we had assholes who cruelly joked over his misfortune. Iíd shut them down those morons, so no prosecution of rapist does not effect morale or cohesion of unit no justice or paybacks do effect unit morale and cohesion. Yes Iím hopeful that this will pass and yes I rant but I remember that young E-2 crying in my room that morning and it still pisses me off.

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Reply Vanessa Guillen act hope it passes, example male on male sexual assault that I knew of (Original post)
Duncanpup Jun 2021 OP
Diamond_Dog Jun 2021 #1
Duncanpup Jun 2021 #2
Aristus Jun 2021 #3
Ligyron Jun 2021 #4
uberblonde Jun 2021 #5
70sEraVet Jun 2021 #6
usaf-vet Jun 2021 #8
usaf-vet Jun 2021 #7

Response to Duncanpup (Original post)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 08:42 AM

1. Heartbreaking doesn't quite convey my feelings

If there is a stronger word, I cannot think of one.

That this would happen in our armed services Is a f-ing disgrace and no prosecution??

I hope the compassion you showed this young man at least showed him that not everyone in this world is a sick monster. Itís way beyond time these sick monsters are dealt with properly. I hope by some miracle your Rethug congressman can pry open his heart just enough.

Sorry Iím not a veteran but I hope itís ok that I posted here.

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Response to Diamond_Dog (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 08:54 AM

2. Post wherever regardless if vet or not

Weíre all same

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Response to Duncanpup (Original post)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 09:35 AM

3. "Unit cohesion". What bullshit.

If members of your unit are raping and murdering other members of your unit and getting away with it, I wouldn't place much stock in your unit's cohesion to begin with...

Unit cohesion is the excuse they trotted out to oppose racial integration of the Armed Forces, and allowing LGBTQ people to serve openly. They've been proven wrong every time. But the madmen keep doing the same thing...

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Response to Duncanpup (Original post)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 09:39 AM

4. I was a legal clerk in the Army in the late 70's.

I was responsible for everything from minor Article 15 offenses to Court Martials and Chaptering soldiers out of the Army with various Discharges.

In my experience Jag was right there with the good olí boy network so I question whether just handing these matters of sexual assaults over to them is really going to improve matters much providing the offenders are ever actually arrested by the MPís.

The victimís best bet is to go directly to the MPís with their complaint and skip reporting it first to their unit, chain of command be dammed if they hope to get any Justice.

However, if their unit has a history of handling sexual assault fairly, they may be in luck.

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Response to Duncanpup (Original post)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 09:50 AM

5. This is all too common.

So common that VA hospitals have psych programs to support male rape victims.

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Response to Duncanpup (Original post)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 10:06 AM

6. Same thing happened on the first ship I was on in the mid 70's.

He was targeted because he had gay mannerisms. The guy couldn't go to his superiors. He knew that he would be the one to get a less-than-honorable discharge.
That's the shit that comes from people having to hide who they are.
Of course, the bullies never have to hide the fact that they're bullies, no matter how vile they are.

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Response to 70sEraVet (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 10:45 AM

8. Are you talking about Lindsey Graham and Donald Trump? If the shoe fits!

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Response to Duncanpup (Original post)

Thu Jun 24, 2021, 10:42 AM

7. Lindsey Graham was a JAG office in the USAF would you trust him to do the right thing?

He has proven he can't be trusted to hold the worst POTUS the country has ever had in my lifetime to account. His golfing buddy the Orangeman.

I'm sure in every branch in every JAG unit there are honest officers who would try and do the right thing. But if you are planning to make the military a career you will find it hard to make rank if you buck the wrong person. IT WILL FOLLOW YOU.

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