Veterans
Related: About this forumJust had a phone conversation with my medic from Vietnam
I learned that he will be retiring from the VA (where he has been working in prosthetics) this year.
When I got hit, Doc was a cherry medic in-country, and I was his first casualty. AK fire had blown away half my teeth and jaw, hit my shoulder, and I was peppered with shrapnel.
I remember Doc running up to me, throwing his hands in the air, and screaming, "Oh, my God, he's hit bad."
After I was evacuated back to the States, I wrote a letter to my platoon to let them know I'd survived (they'd been told I'd died). I could have addressed my letter to my platoon sergeant, my top squad leader, or any of the guys I'd been with through those times in combat. Instead (and I have no idea how I was smart enough to do this), I wrote that letter to my cherry medic.
Doc found me 20 years later, after he'd seen me interviewed at the Wall on Good Morning America. He still had my letter packed away somewhere, but the only thing we both remembered about it was my PS: "Your bedside manner sucks."
Somehow, Doc and I both survived the war and its aftermath. Both diagnosed with PTSD, both managing and surviving our trauma.
The first time we spoke, Doc told me, "Your letter literally saved my life." He didn't need to explain. I'm all too familiar with how caregivers, especially combat medics and corpsmen, blame themselves for the deaths of those they were unable to save.
For me, it was a real pleasure to be able to let Doc know that I didn't die, after all. Even though his bedside manner sucked.
Doc's grandfather was a Jewish war vet who had fought the Nazis in the U.S. Infantry in WWII.
Doc and I live far far apart, across the country from each other. But on his retirement day, I'll be celebrating with him.
To Doc...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Three times, in fact.
At a unit reunion at Ft. Campbell, KY, while I was looking at helicopters, this guy walked across the hangar, straight up to me. It was Doc. I was surprised that he still recognized me, after 20 years.
Doc had been searching for me ater the war, and he's also a musician, and he wrote a song about that. I got to hear Doc perform 'I've been searchin'" at a VA arts event.
And, about 10 years ago, when I was doing an extended drive across the country, I picked up Doc and we drove several states away to visit our platoon sergeant (and those were some memorable times!).
We stay in touch by phone, and I hope we'll have a chance to get together again. Doc and his wife are Liberal, antiwar Democrats. Of course, it wouldn't matter if he turned out to be a teabagger. We'd still have our connection.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)He dealt with traumatic wounds in combat. After I got hit, he was overrun 2 or 3 times.
Calling him a "pecker checker" is an undeserved insult to a combat medic who really went through the shit.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)He sounds like a good guy.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I felt for him from Day One. The day he got to the platoon, I met him and quickly went over his background. I learned that after his medic training, they stuck him on the firing range training doctors through their weapons qualification. After he'd been doing that for 9 months, the Army shipped him off to VN and dropped him off out in the jungle with an Infantry platoon to be our combat medic.
That's an awesome responsibility for someone with with qualifications and experience. For Doc, whose experience was nil and his training already long ago and far away, it was a really raw deal.
I'd hoped we'd be able to break him in gently and gradually, but that wasn't to be...
I learned only many years later that in the next few months after I got hit, the platoon was overrun 2 or 3 times, with mass casualties. Once or twice they were so understrength that the entire company had to be pulled out of the field until they could fill up with replacements. In that space of time, 4 guys replaced me as platoon leader; one was relieved of command, the other 3 were KIA.
To this day, there are some of those times that Doc is reluctant to revisit. And, looking back, I think of my job as relatively easy, compared to Doc's.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Like I said, he sounds like a real good guy. Your "brotherly love" for him proves it.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,832 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And thank you both for your service.
Definitely worth posting twice, not a problem IMHO.
Once for you, and once for Doc.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)He must have seen lots of blood and guts, but he never talked about it. Maybe that's one reason he had 8 kids, to keep his mind off it. ha!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)...
I'd guess the 8 kids were less to keep his mind off it and more to look forward to a better future.
Your dad's service there, at that time, as a medic is a BFD--even if he was reluctant to talk about it.
He might have even been in the 101st--my unit in VN--which would give him a historical connection to my medic...
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)I dont know what unit he was in. The only story he ever told that I recall was how he took a pistol off of a captured Nazi officer and he almost shot him with it. He still has it I think. I just wish he wouldnt have had so many girls and sadly, most of which became conservatives. Definitely my moms fault though.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)He commanded an LST (Landing Ship Troops) and was at Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. The LST was designed to cross the seas and approach the landing beach. It then off loaded amphibious personnel carriers (tanks and other equipment too) which then stormed the beach. I can understand him not wanting to re-live it. While his LST was taking artillery mortars he had to watch the men he dropped off get mowed down.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and while I never got to talk with him about it (he left my Mom 6 months after I was born for another woman). I do have a few photos.
I would suggest that you check out the LST 325 web site and visit it in Evansville, IN or when it is on tour should you ever get the chance. What I found of particular interest was the way they were set up for evacuating the wounded after the initial landings with stretcher hatches designed into the sides of the well deck.
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calmeco702
(28 posts)He was at the Frozen Chosin when the Chinese attacked. I'm the only one of 8 kids he spoke to about his experiences. I'm guessing because we both experienced the violence of war and we could relate to each other.
U.S. Navy
Mobile Riverine Force
River Assault Squadron 11
My Tho, RVN
1967-69
Rhiannon12866
(205,161 posts)Thank you so much for sharing it with us. I think I have something in both my eyes...
FourScore
(9,704 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)you got me sitting here all blubbery..on Memory Lane .
Doc and the other field/combat medics have always been my personal heros. They got you back to us under tremendous pressure and sacrifice.
Give my regards to "Doc."
7th Surgical MASH
CuChi, So Vietnam
1966-1967
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)We love our field medics, of course, but we also love those who cared for us after we were extracted from the field. If not for people like you, I wouldn't be here today.
When the Medevac chopper landed and they rolled my gurney into the 85th evac hosp at Phu Bai, The OR's were full with the casualties we'd sent back, so they rolled me off, over by a wall, to wait.
I would have died right there, except that a nurse noticed I'd stopped breathing and they did an emergency tracheostomy on me.
We love all of you, at 7th Surg, 85th Evac, and elsewhere, who were there for us when it really counted.
Out in the field we had an expression, "It don't mean nothin'." But what you guys did DID mean something--and many of us wouldn't have had a chance to live our lives after that fucking war if you hadn't been there to care for us.
Cu Chi was a very tough place, jaysunb, and I'm glad you made it. And, from one survivor, let me say...thanks for being there for us.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Phu Bai, "68-69", HQ 24th Corps
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Looks like we were Thua Thien buddies. I was '69-'70, 101st out of LZ Sally and FB Bastogne. Operating from Phu Bai out into the A Shau.
I'm glad you made it, brother.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)One for Doc.
gateley
(62,683 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'm glad I saw it on "trending now". What you guys (and women - nurses) went through was unreal. I missed it by 3 years.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Many women served in other capacities--both military and civilian.
I don't know about its availability today, but the book A Piece of My Heart provides a good perspective on the service of women in that war--and their trauma.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)The book Nam, which was all (a few paragraphs to few pages) stories told by people who were there, had stories from nurses. One said she had a hard time when she got home because there was no one around her who had experienced what she had. She finally decided to go to a veteran's rally and was very glad she did.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)It's been staged twice at my local community playhouse, and I've participated in veterans panels for discussions following each performance.
Besides the fact that a friend of mine (a nurse) is featured in the book, I like the way it captures the diverse experiences of women in various capacities in the war and their experiences in the aftermath.
Their stories--and their trauma--are powerful and very moving.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)I'll try to find it. It's great that they turned it into a play and you're involved. If it ever comes to the NYC area I'll definitely go to see it.
Nostradammit
(2,921 posts)I am grateful to you and glad you made it back.
I wish all blessings for Doc as well.
Peace.
mzmolly
(50,985 posts)Thank you for your service, pinboy3niner.
HCE SuiGeneris
(14,994 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:48 AM - Edit history (1)
Taking the time and energy to convey your positive thoughts is really important.
Cheers to you and Doc!
And on edit after reading all the replies, may grace befall all of you that went through such trials.
Con mucho gusto...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)duhneece
(4,112 posts)I (will) drink my small glass of wine & toast both of your lives.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)druidity33
(6,446 posts)i wonder how you felt about the TV show M*A*S*H (Were they in Korea?). I'm 40 so i never had to deal with the Draft or war to the extent your generation did. But i do remember being affected by that show, and as a consequence believing that War was WRONG from a very early age. Hope i'm not sidetracking, just wondering...
To the Medics!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)When the movie came out, a group of us patients went to see it on pass from Letterman Army Hospital in San Francisco. When we came out of the theater, we were totally jazzed. We loved the irreverence and the antiwar attitude of the film.
The TV show was a subversive, antiwar commentary on the VN War that was able to be aired only because it was a comedy, and ostensibly about a different war.
To the medics.
Jessy169
(602 posts)for your service and dedication to a cause that you must have believed in strongly at the time. Congratulations on surviving both the horrors of "the garden" and the aftermath. PTSD can be worse than death. Your survival is a testiment to your inner strength and to the capacity for humans to endure despite all odds. I truly believe that to the degree we suffer on earth but are still able to keep our heads up and a smile on our face, so much greater will be our position in the afterlife, whatever that ends up being.
P.S. I'm a Vietnam vet too, US Navy, Hospital Corpsman with Marine Corps in El Toro, SAR, but never went to Nam, thank God.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)It is rather cool that he found you after he saw you on tv.
Dystopian
(6,421 posts)A beautiful heartfelt story....
My father was a medic in WWII and never spoke about it....
Your life was saved...and you've spent your life paying it forward.
I know your celebration with Doc will be overwhelming.. joy!
Sometimes things in life are simply meant to be.
Thank you for sharing, dear one.
peace and love to you and Doc~
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I know how you also were touched by that war in tragic ways. It's a part of you, too, as much as it's a part of us.
Doc is pretty special to me for a lot of reasons. One of them is that we've both lost vet friends who took their own lives after the war. And Doc was a prime candidate for that, after all he went through and all the undeserved guilts he had to carry. He was smart enough to reach out to mental health pros for help--and I like to think that my long-ago letter also was helpful to him.
The healing is a lifelong journey. When someone raised the issue of epitaphs in a recent thread, it made me think that maybe mine should be, "Hallelujah! My PTSD finally 'cured'!" lol
Love & Peace to you and your wonderful family, Dystopian
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)When Doc and I first connected, he said we should write a book. I poo-pooed the idea, pointing out the many other reconnection stories that were already out there, some of them even involving dramatic reunions at the Wall.
Everything I've written about VN i ended up tearing up. With great authors like Tim O'Brien and filmmakers like Oliver Stone telling our stories, I really didn't feel the need to add more.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)misty-eyed too. This story could almost make a movie screenplay itself (altho I don't know the first thing about screenwriting, even tho I live in La-La land
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)And I started out as a would-be writer, editor-in-chief of my HS newspaper with a full-tuition scholarship to USC in Journalism--before I went to war.
But by the time I got to USC after the war, after a year of JC, their journalism department wasn't what it once was. It was pretty disappointing, and I switched majors to public admin.
I never thought I had a book in me, and I really didn't want to write war stories about combat. I wrote a few vignettes that were quite different.
About sitting in a coffee shop, years after the war, and being transported back to those days. Cradling my coffee cup in the restaurant, with tears coming to my eyes as I thought about what a comfort cradling a canteen cup of coffee was after humping all day, in that brief period before we had to go out on ambush.
And about a friend who got a Laugh Box at Christmas (he was KIA a month later), and my spontaneously breaking down in tears, with no clue why, when I heard a Laugh Box at a party years later after the war.
I've shared some of these things on speaking visits to high schools and colleges. If I'd written about them, my book would probably be listed on Amazon as "not available." But I've spoken to thousands of students, now. That's good enough for me.
calmeco702
(28 posts)Glad that you both kept in touch with each other and glad you made it home brother.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Swiftboat service was also some hairy shit. I'm glad you made it, calmeco702.