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Sun May 28, 2017, 04:44 PM

H.R McMaster

Watching this man who was a commander who went toe to toe with Iraqis at 73 easting. As cav troop commander, I wonder here is a gentleman a officer a warrior who understands duty honor country, Surrounded now by evil lying self serving traitors.

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Reply H.R McMaster (Original post)
TEB May 2017 OP
onecaliberal May 2017 #1
furtheradu May 2017 #2
atreides1 May 2017 #3
democratisphere May 2017 #4
awesomerwb1 May 2017 #5
blueinredohio May 2017 #6
Victor_c3 May 2017 #7
TomSlick May 2017 #8
TEB May 2017 #10
Victor_c3 May 2017 #11
TEB May 2017 #12
denbot May 2017 #9

Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 04:46 PM

1. He has no honor and he cares not about his country.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 04:54 PM

2. There's an OP,earlier today, addressing this.

I enCourage You to read the article by Ricks, advising McMaster step down, & "let trump be trump".
I am truly disappointed in McMaster.


By the Way, did You give up on bbq -ing Your cast iron skillet? !
Wanted to talk You out of it, but got... distracted.
Where I'm from, that's sacrilegious.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 04:59 PM

3. He's becoming one of them

McMaster has been blinded by a false sense of duty, into serving a man who has no intention of protecting this country! The longer McMaster stays, the more his honor and integrity will be questioned...and he will become nothing more then a puppet, in much the same way that Kelly has become a lick spittle, and Mattis has become a complete non-entity!

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 05:03 PM

4. I think McMaster is in a quandary. He spent many years in the military where you obey orders

from your superiors with no questions asked. It has to be killing him to take orders from an insane a**hole and answer to the public and the press over drumpf's chaos, corruption and malfeasance. Guys like McMaster are unshakablly loyal and he is not a person that would ever give up or quit. McMaster is in a huge mess, but I'm glad he is in the WH because I can only imagine where we would be if he was not.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #4)

Sun May 28, 2017, 05:17 PM

5. Hope you're right.

But I'm not holding my breath. There are ways to be diplomatic when answering questions instead of going into full denial.

Why take the post to begin with? Why remain? Why not just step down for family or health reasons?

Not sure why he's staying at his job considering lives will be lost. Whether they're US citizens without health coverage, innocent people in other countries = "collateral damage", immigrants. Why be a part of this?



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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 07:09 PM

6. Ithink he is one of them otherwise he would resign

before helping do their dirty work

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 07:39 PM

7. He is the only general I met who I didn't like

I was a junior officer on some sort of an escort detail. He walked by me, I raised my hand to salute him, he made eye contact and just kept on walking. He totally ignored my salute.

A salute is a two-way symbol of respect. The lower ranking guy makes himself vulnerable to a superior and the superior acknowledges the presence of a subordinate by raising his hand in salute. Perhaps I took the saluting thing too personally when I was in the army, but his willingness to just blow off a junior officer - a guy he could feasibly send to his death while he sits in an air conditioned office safe and in the rear - told me everything I needed to know about that guy.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #7)

Sun May 28, 2017, 07:48 PM

8. Telling Story

You're experience is very telling. A general officer who fails to return a salute from a junior has no honor - only ego.

I'm retired after twenty-seven years Army service. I NEVER had a senior officer fail to return a salute. It would have never occurred to me to fail to return the salute of a junior officer or enlisted soldier. You are not taking the saluting thing too personally.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #7)

Sun May 28, 2017, 08:16 PM

10. I understand I'm former 11B

Once I walked out mess hall I think it was Graf maybe hoehnfels and I did not have my glasses on I passed this 2 nd lt he was like do you not understand how salute. I'm thinking geez I just pcs from 325 out Bragg , I hated mech infantry to begin with. So he goes what is your excuse for not saluting it was dark winter time I told him sir I did not have my glasses on , He totally tried keep straight face and told me carry on.

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Response to TEB (Reply #10)

Sun May 28, 2017, 11:03 PM

11. I only remember one time not being saluted by a subordinate

I walked out of the post office at Vilseck (15 miles from Graf training area) and a pregnant soldier wearing maternity BDUs and smoking a cigarette walked right by me. For a second I thought about saying something, but given that she was pregnant and publicaly smoking a cigarette, I figured it wouldn't be worth the effort...

Honestly, I really took the simple display of a salute very personally. To me showed that I was willing to treat some lowly private's life as importantly as my own. That realization hit me hard after being deployed to Iraq. Yes, I was a screwy and very typical lieutenant, but I respected the hell out of the guys who served under me and treated them all with respect and dignity. I would like to think that they knew that.

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #11)

Mon May 29, 2017, 05:04 AM

12. Yes

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I could not imagine the stress of being plt leader in war. I'm sure your men Knew you cared for them ,do not bust your own balls or be hard on yourself and think you were a screwy plt leader. You and your men and many who served in war time have far better idea of sacrifice. As 11B I was lucky Warsaw Pact never fired up there bmp and t 72 and decided to roll west into west Germany. I was lucky as well that I think it was Colin Powell who talked regan out of committing ground troops to Central America not sure , thought I read that about Powell once. So I tell people when they ask me about my time in army I say think animal house the movie. but we had m16's and 60's when we did not have to soldier. By you letting the pregnant trooper slide on no salute shows you have it on the ball. Never confront a pregnant women to quote Walter sobcheck from the big lebowski your about to enter a world of pain. My beautiful wife has given us four lovely children over 30 years marriage , I learned along time ago tread lightly because of pregnancy hormones , the SOP of being a man around a pregnant wife manual reads agree at all times even if seems like she is insane do not confront her. If you win then you lose ,Be safe take care friend enjoy your day this is your day and all combat Veterans Day. I have three friends coming today sgt major army who retired in 1993 then a former Force recon marine who retired and also a close friend retired who was DRILL SERGEANT in C 10/2 when I was 18 year old in A 10/2 at harmony church at U BENN , at same time small world we all met at church years ago. Why he knew my senior Drill sgt we was looking one day at my blue book for the cycle in 84. There all fine people lot more high speed than me there all RANGER TABBED SF TABBED 2 are actually diver qualified . I hope they don't start drinking and wanna do land nav. Land nav was really not one of my strongest points gotta have sense humor. Remember we did not write the joke we just tell it.

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Response to TEB (Original post)

Sun May 28, 2017, 08:03 PM

9. The only honorable thing I can think of is that McMaster is playing out line.

Napoleon said "Never interfere with an enemy while hes in the process of destroying himself."

It is inconceivable to me that an honorable senior officer would condone dishonesty, let alone even the slightest hint of collusion with the enemy.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

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